Van Terror In Toronto...

[Mountain Man]

While technically true, the police don't have to take unnecessary risks to take a dangerous criminal into custody. If they think he has a gun, and is trying to use it, they can and should use deadly force to stop him. Not only for their own protection but for the protection of anyone else in the vicinity. You make it sound like it is so easy to make these decisions. They have a split second to make them from usually dozens of feet away, and in usually poor circumstances with a lot of adrenaline flowing on both sides. It's easy to be an armchair quarterback.

There was an outspoken anti-police activist who went through a police training simulator where he had to make split second decisions about whether or not deadly force was justified. He came out of the experience with a new appreciation and respect for the police officers who put their lives on the line for us every single day.

But it sure is easy for sanctimonious prigs like Dimbulb to second guess and criticize from the comfort and safety of his computer chair.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/02/15...s-leaders.html

[mossrose]

This thread isn't about guns. It's about vans.

Are they banned yet?

[Sparko]

There was an outspoken anti-police activist who went through a police training simulator where he had to make split second decisions about whether or not deadly force was justified. He came out of the experience with a new appreciation and respect for the police officers who put their lives on the line for us every single day.

But it sure is easy for sanctimonious prigs like Dimbulb to second guess and criticize from the comfort and safety of his computer chair.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2015/02/15...s-leaders.html

They should just shoot to wound!!

[Sparko]

This thread isn't about guns. It's about vans.

Are they banned yet?

well since it was a white van, full of white van privilege, I think it should be banned for being racist.

[One Bad Pig]

They should just shoot to wound!!

That turns the perpetrator into a victim who can then sue for damages. You're just trying to get your law firm more work!

[Mountain Man]

They should just shoot to wound!!

Shoot the gun out of their hands like the Lone Ranger!

[Sparko]

Shoot the gun out of their hands like the Lone Ranger!

They could just tell the criminal that he is not allowed to use a gun because it is against the law. Then he will put it down and surrender.

[Cow Poke]

While technically true, the police don't have to take unnecessary risks to take a dangerous criminal into custody. If they think he has a gun, and is trying to use it, they can and should use deadly force to stop him. Not only for their own protection but for the protection of anyone else in the vicinity. You make it sound like it is so easy to make these decisions. They have a split second to make them from usually dozens of feet away, and in usually poor circumstances with a lot of adrenaline flowing on both sides. It's easy to be an armchair quarterback.

I'd love to see Starlight in one of the "Hogan's Alley" type "shoot / don't shoot" tactical training exercises.

[Cow Poke]

This thread isn't about guns. It's about vans.

Are they banned yet?

If a van gets converted, does it get a second chance?

conversion vans.jpg

[Cerebrum123]

I'd love to see Starlight in one of the "Hogan's Alley" type "shoot / don't shoot" tactical training exercises.

I have a device that plays the game around here somewhere. Unfortunately it doesn't work on any flat screen TV's, as it doesn't reflect the light in the way needed to be detected properly.

[mossrose]

I have a device that plays the game around here somewhere. Unfortunately it doesn't work on any flat screen TV's, as it doesn't reflect the light in the way needed to be detected properly.

SL could play that one perfectly, I'm sure, regardless. After all, he is smarter than anyone else here, and we are lucky to have him.

[firstfloor]

A van driver accused of killing 10 people in Toronto posted to Facebook minutes before the attack to praise killer Elliot Rodger and refer to the misogynistic "incel" Reddit group.

Alek Minassian, 25, was charged on Tuesday with 10 counts of murder and 13 counts of attempted murder.

Police say he appeared to intentionally strike pedestrians after mounting a busy pavement in a rental van.

He was arrested several blocks away after a tense standoff with police.

Mr Minassian's Facebook post, which the social network has confirmed as real, praised Elliott Rodger, a 22 year old from California who killed six people in a shooting rampage through Isla Vista, California in 2014 before turning the gun on himself.

It read: "The Incel Rebellion has already begun! We will overthrow all the Chads and Stacys! All hail the Supreme Gentleman Elliot Rodger!"

The term "incel" refers to a now-banned group on the message site Reddit, used by Rodger, where young men discussed their lack of sexual activity and attractiveness to women - often blaming women for the problem.

"Chads and Stacys" refers to attractive men and women who are perceived as better than or unavailable to "incels", which is short for "involuntary celibate".

- BBC News

[mossrose]

SL could play that one perfectly, I'm sure, regardless. After all, he is smarter than anyone else here, and we are lucky to have him.

Oh, please don't amen me, SL. It just makes you look as ignorant as you are. Because I really just insulted you again. And it's a shame I have to keep explaining that to you.

[Starlight]

Well that says it all, it probably kidnapped some poor unsuspecting Muslim Christian and made it look like he drove into the crowd...

Fixed that for you.

From the information available at this stage, both the Toronto terrorist and the Waffle House shooter were white Christian right-wingers who had a history of mental issues.

[Cow Poke]

A van driver accused of killing 10 people in Toronto posted to Facebook minutes before the attack to praise killer Elliot Rodger and refer to the misogynistic "incel" Reddit group.

Alek Minassian, 25, was charged on Tuesday with 10 counts of murder and 13 counts of attempted murder.

Police say he appeared to intentionally strike pedestrians after mounting a busy pavement in a rental van.

He was arrested several blocks away after a tense standoff with police.

Mr Minassian's Facebook post, which the social network has confirmed as real, praised Elliott Rodger, a 22 year old from California who killed six people in a shooting rampage through Isla Vista, California in 2014 before turning the gun on himself.

It read: "The Incel Rebellion has already begun! We will overthrow all the Chads and Stacys! All hail the Supreme Gentleman Elliot Rodger!"

The term "incel" refers to a now-banned group on the message site Reddit, used by Rodger, where young men discussed their lack of sexual activity and attractiveness to women - often blaming women for the problem.

"Chads and Stacys" refers to attractive men and women who are perceived as better than or unavailable to "incels", which is short for "involuntary celibate".

- BBC News

Why, yes - that sounds like the very DEFINITION of "Christian".