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    A suggestion for Nick (his book review series):
    About Transhumanism (including solving the problem of death by use of technology), just awarded the Wellcome Book Prize, “To Be a Machine” by Mark O’Connell. I have started to read the Kindle version this evening.

    It begins thus:

    ALL STORIES BEGIN in our endings: we invent them because we die. As long as we have been telling stories, we have been telling them about the desire to escape our human bodies, to become something other than the animals we are. In our oldest written narrative, we find the Sumerian king Gilgamesh, who, distraught by the death of a friend and unwilling to accept that the same fate lies in store for him, travels to the far edge of the world in search of a cure for mortality. Long story short: no dice. Later, we find Achilles’ mother dipping him in the Styx in an effort to render him invulnerable. This, too, famously, does not pan out. See also: Daedalus, improvised wings. See also: Prometheus, stolen divine fire. We exist, we humans, in the wreckage of an imagined splendor. It was not supposed to be this way: we weren’t supposed to be weak, to be ashamed, to suffer, to die. We have always had higher notions of ourselves. The whole setup— garden, serpent, fruit, banishment— was a fatal error, a system crash. We came to be what we are by way of a Fall, a retribution. This, at least, is one version of the story: the Christian story, the Western story. The point of which, on some level, is to explain ourselves to ourselves, to account for why it’s such a raw deal, this unnatural nature of ours.

    O'Connell, Mark. To Be a Machine: Adventures Among Cyborgs, Utopians, Hackers, and the Futurists Solving the Modest Problem of Death (Kindle Locations 37-46). Granta Publications. Kindle Edition.
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    “I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
    “And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
    “not all there” - you know who you are

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    My brother is a cyborg. He has a titanium plate in his head and partial jaw.

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    • #3
      If it weren't for technology and modern medicine I would have probably been dead 10 years now if not more. The only mechanical bit I have is a heart stent I got two weeks ago and a hernia mesh from a hernia op a year ago.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Sparko View Post
        If it weren't for technology and modern medicine I would have probably been dead 10 years now if not more. The only mechanical bit I have is a heart stent I got two weeks ago and a hernia mesh from a hernia op a year ago.
        Woulda never made it outta infancy.

        I'm always still in trouble again

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        • #5
          Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
          Woulda never made it outta infancy.
          Same here.

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          • #6
            I have a steel rod on my spine.

            It looks like we're all talking about metal in our bodies. Don't know why. I can't read what FF posts.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by Apologiaphoenix View Post
              I have a steel rod on my spine.

              It looks like we're all talking about metal in our bodies. Don't know why. I can't read what FF posts.
              Sure you can. As far as ff goes, this OP is pretty tame.

              Here, I'll quote it for you:
              Originally posted by ff
              A suggestion for Nick (his book review series):
              About Transhumanism (including solving the problem of death by use of technology), just awarded the Wellcome Book Prize, “To Be a Machine” by Mark O’Connell. I have started to read the Kindle version this evening.

              It begins thus:

              ALL STORIES BEGIN in our endings: we invent them because we die. As long as we have been telling stories, we have been telling them about the desire to escape our human bodies, to become something other than the animals we are. In our oldest written narrative, we find the Sumerian king Gilgamesh, who, distraught by the death of a friend and unwilling to accept that the same fate lies in store for him, travels to the far edge of the world in search of a cure for mortality. Long story short: no dice. Later, we find Achilles’ mother dipping him in the Styx in an effort to render him invulnerable. This, too, famously, does not pan out. See also: Daedalus, improvised wings. See also: Prometheus, stolen divine fire. We exist, we humans, in the wreckage of an imagined splendor. It was not supposed to be this way: we weren’t supposed to be weak, to be ashamed, to suffer, to die. We have always had higher notions of ourselves. The whole setup— garden, serpent, fruit, banishment— was a fatal error, a system crash. We came to be what we are by way of a Fall, a retribution. This, at least, is one version of the story: the Christian story, the Western story. The point of which, on some level, is to explain ourselves to ourselves, to account for why it’s such a raw deal, this unnatural nature of ours.

              O'Connell, Mark. To Be a Machine: Adventures Among Cyborgs, Utopians, Hackers, and the Futurists Solving the Modest Problem of Death (Kindle Locations 37-46). Granta Publications. Kindle Edition.
              Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

              Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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              I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist

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              • #8
                Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                Sure you can. As far as ff goes, this OP is pretty tame.

                Here, I'll quote it for you:
                I might sometime, but my to read list is massive right now.

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Apologiaphoenix View Post
                  I might sometime, but my to read list is massive right now.
                  You 'n' me both.
                  Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

                  Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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                  I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologist

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                    Woulda never made it outta infancy.
                    come to think of it neither would I. I had a very bad case of Pneumonia as a baby and was put in an oxygen tent and they still were not sure I would make it. Then I had all the childhood diseases of the 60's: mumps, reubella, measels, chicken pox. And this was the time when polio was still a thing. Dang, we are very lucky to be alive!

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                    • #11
                      Just past a brief mention of Rosicrucianism which I had not heard of before. On we go.
                      “I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
                      “And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
                      “not all there” - you know who you are

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                        come to think of it neither would I. I had a very bad case of Pneumonia as a baby and was put in an oxygen tent and they still were not sure I would make it. Then I had all the childhood diseases of the 60's: mumps, reubella, measels, chicken pox. And this was the time when polio was still a thing. Dang, we are very lucky to be alive!
                        Went through measles, mumps and chicken pox one right after the other with essentially no time between them. My brother got a mild case and I'd get a much worse case. Also had rubella (often called German measles back then) a couple years later. But it was a staph infection that I got right after being born and FWIU covered most of my body that the doctors didn't think I'd survive

                        I'm always still in trouble again

                        "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                        "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                        "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                        • #13
                          I have a shunt in my skull

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