Masculinity: A Mental Health Issue

[Roy]

I've got the actual text, too, in several translations. If all you are doing is reading different translations, which basically say the same thing, and not digging deeper into what actual scholars who have studied the ORIGINAL texts have said, then you are simply ignorant.

Which Bible scholar, and why should he be believed?

[mossrose]

That's just not true. Those words are not rendered "has had" or "have had" in any translation I can find, let alone all of them:

NIV: If a man has two wives, and he loves one but not the other
NKJV: If a man has two wives, one loved and the other unloved,
NLT: Suppose a man has two wives, but he loves one and not the other,
NASB: If a man has two wives, the one loved and the other unloved,
CEB: Now suppose a man has two wives—one of them loved and the other unloved.

I concede that she may not have made it up, but instead be believing something some-one else made up.

And once again, the translations you are reading are NOT the original texts! Why do you not understand that?

Nobody made anything up here. You are simply reading it how you want to read it.

Look. Nowhere in scripture does God condone plural marriage. Or same-gender marriage or sex. Or adultery. Or extra-marital sex. Why in the world would you think that this one passage would go against the very character of God as revealed in His word, when nowhere else in the entirety of the canon allows this behaviour?

[Cow Poke]

God, in the OT, is all like, "You want multiple wives? LOL ok. I don't even have to punish you for it."

Queue the song... "trying to love two women is like a ball and chain....."

[Zymologist]

Queue the song... "trying to love two women is like a ball and chain....."

God's punishment for polygamy was giving them multiple wives.

[mossrose]

Which Bible scholar, and why should he be believed?

What difference does it make? I'm sure that no matter who's name I give you, you'll tell me he's just making it up. Or he's not a "real" scholar like Starlight.

You are going to believe what you want to believe, no matter what I say.

While you're reading scripture, go read Romans 1 in all your translations and then tell me if you get what's being said there.

[Cow Poke]

God's punishment for polygamy was giving them multiple wives.

A classic case of "you may get what you want, but you may not want what you get".

[Roy]

Nonsense, this is not saying that God is good with polygamy. Polygamy was widely practiced, but no where do we find the law of God condoning it.

Nor is it condemned. God certainly seems good with it, since many of the OT patriarchs were polygamous.

[Roy]

What difference does it make?

The difference between you actually having a biblical scholar's commentary vs you not having one.
Your responses imply the latter.

[seer]

Nor is it condemned. God certainly seems good with it, since many of the OT patriarchs were polygamous.

You are assuming that God was good with it, it is never stated that He is.

[seer]

I concede that she may not have made it up, but instead be believing something some-one else made up.

Oh please Roy, the point is she did not make it up. I tend to agree with you here, concerning the reading, but that does not change the overall point.

[Roy]

Look. Nowhere in scripture does God condone plural marriage. ... Why in the world would you think that this one passage would go against the very character of God as revealed in His word, when nowhere else in the entirety of the canon allows this behaviour?

I guess you've never read Genesis 30, where your god supposedly grants the desires of both of Jacob's wives to bear children.

[Roy]

Oh please Roy, the point is she did not make it up.

A point I have conceded.

[Cow Poke]

I guess you've never read Genesis 30, where your god supposedly grants the desires of both of Jacob's wives to bear children.

Are you aware of the context? Are you aware that Jacob was tricked into marrying Leah instead of Rachel? Do you think God was pleased with that? Should that be considered "God's will" for us?
And, actually, some of the children were by handmaidens of each of the wives. Do you think that's "God's plan" for marriage or family?

Just because something happens in the Bible doesn't mean God intends for that to be a pattern.

[mossrose]

The difference between you actually having a biblical scholar's commentary vs you not having one.
Your responses imply the latter.

If you insist.

I actually have 2 commentaries. One is in a study Bible by Charles C. Ryrie. The other is a full commentary by John MacArthur.

So, now you've basically called me a liar twice.

Go ahead now and tell me my sources are useless. You wouldn't believe me if I told you God came down from heaven in the form of a man, lived, died in order to satisfy His own judgment on sin, raised Himself from the dead, rose back into heaven, and told me Himself that that's what that passage intends.

Oh, wait.......He did everything except tell me Himself what that passage intends. Instead he gave godly men with education and wisdom to do that.

[mossrose]

I guess you've never read Genesis 30, where your god supposedly grants the desires of both of Jacob's wives to bear children.

Jacob shouldn't have had two wives! You are so stupid with this!