Masculinity: A Mental Health Issue

[mossrose]

Oh, and God doesn't hate homosexuals either. He loves them. So much He died for them.

[Starlight]

Like most people, I don't buy the "we don't hate homosexuals, we hate homosexuality" excuse for nastiness. You don't get to get out of being responsible for your nastiness just by pretending there's a technicality. I am sorry I phrased my previous post carelessly that allowed you to dodge the main issue and go for this distraction though - so I have gone back and edited that post to say "homosexuality" rather than "homosexuals".

Furthermore I am not your slave whom you can command to supply links when you feel like it. So you skirting as close as possible to breaking your own forum rules about calling people liars when I show no interest in being your obedient slave gets the disgusted eye-roll it deserves.

[mossrose]

Like most people, I don't buy the "we don't hate homosexuals, we hate homosexuality" excuse for nastiness. You don't get to get out of being responsible for your nastiness just by pretending there's a technicality. I am sorry I phrased my previous post carelessly that allowed you to dodge the main issue and go for this distraction though - so I have gone back and edited that post to say "homosexuality" rather than "homosexuals".

Too bad your post with original wording is in my quote of it. Nice try at a backpedal, though.

Furthermore I am not your slave whom you can command to supply links when you feel like it. So you skirting as close as possible to breaking your own forum rules about calling people liars when I show no interest in being your obedient slave gets the disgusted eye-roll it deserves.

It seems to me that you are the first one to scream when someone makes an accusation and then doesn't provide proof. I am only asking what you would insist on.

I'm certainly not skirting the forum rules at all. But you are dodging a legitimate request for you to back up your accusations.

[Tassman]

I haven't said anything against homosexuals. I've spoken what God says about homosexuality. I do not hate homosexuals. I pity them for being lost in their lifestyle and separated from God.

I pity you for your lostness.

And I am no different from any other Christian on this site or in the world who believes that God's word is the final authority.

You are entitled to believe this nonsense; you are not entitled to impose these beliefs on those that think differently.

[seer]

Like most people, I don't buy the "we don't hate homosexuals, we hate homosexuality" excuse for nastiness.

And what you think matters why?

[Cow Poke]

Yet, you think it's up to YOU to tell mossy what to believe? YOU?

Lost people often are unaware that they're lost.

You are entitled to believe this nonsense; you are not entitled to impose these beliefs on those that think differently.

Yet, here you are trying to impose YOUR anti-Christian bigoted beliefs on mossy. Hypocrite much?

[rogue06]

It is not up to you to opine that homosexuals are "lost" in their lifestyle.

No that's up to God. And mossy is merely relaying to you what God has already made clear. Revel in a sinful lifestyle, regardless of the type, and you're lost until you ask Jesus to save you and repent.

[Sparko]

I take it this is an in-group out-group thing and she's sweet to those she considers her in-group. Because, I dunno if you can read, but she isn't being particularly sweet to Roy and myself in this thread. In my years of posting here I've seen nothing but excessive nastiness from her toward people. Maybe she's nice to you personally, and that's tricked you into thinking she's "one of the sweetest people"? But do you even read the bile she spouts toward gay people and atheists constantly? Not to mention how vicious she gets when moderating posts that upset her.

And you are being so nice to her, right? All she did was tell you what the bible teaches and you started in on her and were upset when she smacked you back.

She said:
Look. Nowhere in scripture does God condone plural marriage. Or same-gender marriage or sex. Or adultery. Or extra-marital sex. Why in the world would you think that this one passage would go against the very character of God as revealed in His word, when nowhere else in the entirety of the canon allows this behaviour?

That was not nasty. She just posted a normal response saying what the bible said.

Your response:
Wow, even when your point is disproven by clear instances of polygamy and God talking about it without condemnation, you nonetheless continue with your ravings, where you put your own made-up theology above the supposed word of God.
Why bother even calling yourself a Christian at this point? It's clearly just the Church of Mossrose where you dictate the theology to God and declare what he believes, and aren't interested in modifying your views based on biblical teachings.


So you started it Starlight. Then get upset when she responds in kind.


Basically it is another case of someone pushing your button on homosexuality and you go into your rage. Got something you want to tell us?

[Starlight]

All she did was tell you what the bible teaches

She seems to have a penchant for proclaiming her views as "God's" views regardless of what the bible says.

She just posted a normal response saying what the bible said.

No, she consistently goes far and beyond anything the bible says, and insists her views are the truth of what "God" thinks. She has indicated she thinks she can rightly divine what "God" thinks, due to the fact that she views herself as understanding the "whole bible" as she puts it, and as a result appears to view herself as above and beyond pesky things like evidence or proof-texts and feels she has reached the point where she can make direct proclamations about "God's" views (which, conveniently, always align with her own - to the point where moderately skeptical people might think she was declaring her own views as "God's").

Basically it is another case of someone pushing your button on homosexuality and you go into your rage.

I have very strong views on homosexuality, just as I have very strong views on slavery. I consider both to be a core human rights issue, and given I live now rather than 300 years ago, I fight the human rights battle that is relevant today. I confess, I have very very very strong moral views and I hate injustice with a righteous passion. That's probably fairly clear in my posting on quite a number of issues in this forum including poverty, healthcare, and equal rights for minorities, and it's why I am so left-wing and progressive, and why I get so upset by the horrifically immoral policies of right-wing conservatives on this forum.

But Mossrose seems to have a very notable button on the issue of homosexuality. She, I mean "God", seems to hate homosexuality with quite a passion. She's quite enthusiastic about the strong pronouncements she makes against it on "God's" behalf, which I find morally appalling. It's also interesting in light of the fact that her country's two largest non-Catholic Christian denominations have both approved same-sex marriage, so she must realize that her claims about what "God" thinks are in the minority.

[Starlight]

Revel in a sinful lifestyle, regardless of the type, and you're lost until you ask Jesus to save you and repent.

And if you pick the right Christian tradition you can continue to enjoy whatever sins you like, knowing you're saved by Christ's blood alone and not by any works you might do. Or even better, pick one that doesn't think whatever your preferred vices are is a sin in the first place, and then you can carry right on. Or if you like to feel really bad about yourself constantly, then either the Catholics or the Reformed can help you there, depending on whether you like to confess all your naughty sins regularly or prefer to tell yourself daily what a horribly bad person you are. There's all sorts of options for people with guilt complexes.


I've been feeling indecisive about career options lately, does that count?

I've noticed that a lot of really religious people have a tendency to assume other people (especially atheists) are as bad / nasty and thus guilt-ridden as they themselves are. They don't seem to understand that on average most people make a significant effort to follow their own conscience, and because they do act morally according to their own lights, they then correctly perceive themselves as pretty good people as measured by their own consciences. They do not therefore typically view themselves as sinful or bad or lost. (The bible even mentions this in Rom 2 so you'd think the Christians would get the memo, but they don't seem to)

[Sparko]

She seems to have a penchant for proclaiming her views as "God's" views regardless of what the bible says.

No, she consistently goes far and beyond anything the bible says, and insists her views are the truth of what "God" thinks. She has indicated she thinks she can rightly divine what "God" thinks, due to the fact that she views herself as understanding the "whole bible" as she puts it, and as a result appears to view herself as above and beyond pesky things like evidence or proof-texts and feels she has reached the point where she can make direct proclamations about "God's" views (which, conveniently, always align with her own - to the point where moderately skeptical people might think she was declaring her own views as "God's").

I have very strong views on homosexuality, just as I have very strong views on slavery. I consider both to be a core human rights issue, and given I live now rather than 300 years ago, I fight the human rights battle that is relevant today. I confess, I have very very very strong moral views and I hate injustice with a righteous passion. That's probably fairly clear in my posting on quite a number of issues in this forum including poverty, healthcare, and equal rights for minorities, and it's why I am so left-wing and progressive, and why I get so upset by the horrifically immoral policies of right-wing conservatives on this forum.

But Mossrose seems to have a very notable button on the issue of homosexuality. She, I mean "God", seems to hate homosexuality with quite a passion. She's quite enthusiastic about the strong pronouncements she makes against it on "God's" behalf, which I find morally appalling. It's also interesting in light of the fact that her country's two largest non-Catholic Christian denominations have both approved same-sex marriage, so she must realize that her claims about what "God" thinks are in the minority.

Again, YOU started the name calling, then got upset when she said you were deviant.

Whenever anyone mentions homosexuality you seem to go ballistic. I have no idea why but it seems to me you "protest too much." and get overly emotional and can't seem to discuss the topic civilly. You sir, are a drama queen.

[Sparko]

And if you pick the right Christian tradition you can continue to enjoy whatever sins you like, knowing you're saved by Christ's blood alone and not by any works you might do. Or even better, pick one that doesn't think whatever your preferred vices are is a sin in the first place, and then you can carry right on. Or if you like to feel really bad about yourself constantly, then either the Catholics or the Reformed can help you there, depending on whether you like to confess all your naughty sins regularly or prefer to tell yourself daily what a horribly bad person you are. There's all sorts of options for people with guilt complexes.

You are right, they can even leave Christianity altogether because Christianity condemns their behaviors as sinful, become an atheist and join a theology site and whine constantly about how bad Christians are.

[seer]

You sir, are a drama queen.

Or perhaps just a queen...

[Cow Poke]

It's also interesting in light of the fact that her country's two largest non-Catholic Christian denominations have both approved same-sex marriage, so she must realize that her claims about what "God" thinks are in the minority.

Joshua and Caleb were in the minority - 2 to 10. God blessed them mightily, and judged the majority quite harshly. Joshua and Caleb believed God.

[mossrose]

Joshua and Caleb were in the minority - 2 to 10. God blessed them mightily, and judged the majority quite harshly. Joshua and Caleb believed God.

Star doesn't get it that I don't care what the majority thinks. The majority is often wrong, as in the 2 denominations he
Is referring to. Both are extremely liberal, and go along with every social issue that comes down the pipe.

He'd fit right in there with either, though. I consider neither denominations as Christian.