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  • #46
    Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
    Essentially, being "the norm" means at least 50% were homosexual. You really think that? I mean I know the left likes to greatly inflate the numbers of how many people are gay, but this is ridiculous.
    Scholars have shown that same-sex relations were openly practised, largely with official sanction and as an adjunct of heterosexual marriage. It was actively encouraged in the in the militaries of ancient Greece and was regarded as contributing to morale.
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    • #47
      Originally posted by mossrose View Post
      The scriptural basis of marriage is one man and one woman in a monogamous relationship, ...
      The actual scriptural basis of marriage is one man with as many wives as he wants and can support, providing he does not get too distracted from his duties.

      See, for example, Deuteronomy 21:
      If a man has two wives, and he loves one but not the other, and both bear him sons but the firstborn is the son of the wife he does not love, when he wills his property to his sons, he must not give the rights of the firstborn to the son of the wife he loves in preference to his actual firstborn, the son of the wife he does not love.
      Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.

      MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
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      • #48
        Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
        Essentially, being "the norm" means at least 50% were homosexual.
        That's not what "the norm" means. Get a dictionary.
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        • #49
          Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
          Mmm, spinach quiche. Been about 35 years since I had it.
          I only ate it because my wife made it and was proud of it - but, I had to admit - I actually LIKED it! And not just because she was still standing there with the knife she used to cut me a slice!
          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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          • #50
            Originally posted by Roy View Post
            The actual scriptural basis of marriage is one man with as many wives as he wants and can support, providing he does not get too distracted from his duties.

            See, for example, Deuteronomy 21:
            If a man has two wives, and he loves one but not the other, and both bear him sons but the firstborn is the son of the wife he does not love, when he wills his property to his sons, he must not give the rights of the firstborn to the son of the wife he loves in preference to his actual firstborn, the son of the wife he does not love.

            You have to go father back in scripture to find the actual basis, to Adam and Eve. The original text in this passage says "if a man has HAD two wives", obviously referring to a past deceased wife and another taking the first one's place.

            This is referring to inheritance rights, not acknowledging plural marriage, which God has NEVER done. OT people did it, yes, because they were sinful, as we all are.

            Nice try, though.


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            • #51
              um Greece was defeated by the Romans and the Romans by Christianity. So touting the normality of their debauchery as a positive influence doesn't really work.

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              • #52
                Originally posted by mossrose View Post
                You have to go father back in scripture to find the actual basis, to Adam and Eve. The original text in this passage says "if a man has HAD two wives", obviously referring to a past deceased wife and another taking the first one's place.
                Bollocks. You're making that up.
                Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.

                MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
                MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.

                seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...

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                • #53
                  Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                  um Greece was defeated by the Romans and the Romans by Christianity.
                  The Romans were not defeated by Christianity.
                  Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.

                  MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
                  MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.

                  seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...

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                  • #54
                    Originally posted by Roy View Post
                    Bollocks. You're making that up.

                    I am not. I have a commentary from a Bible scholar who has studied the original Greek and Aramaic and that is what he says.

                    What do you have besides your own bias and your own sinful interpretation, making the text say what you want it to in order to support your position?


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                    • #55
                      Originally posted by mossrose View Post
                      I am not. I have a commentary from a Bible scholar who has studied the original Greek and Aramaic and that is what he says.
                      Which Bible scholar, and why should he be believed?
                      What do you have besides your own bias and your own sinful interpretation, making the text say what you want it to in order to support your position?
                      I've got the actual text in the dozen-or-so translations I've checked. That's more than your argument from unnamed and uncited authority.

                      The text says "has", present tense, not "has had". You are the one making the text say what you want it to.
                      Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.

                      MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
                      MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.

                      seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...

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                      • #56
                        Originally posted by Roy View Post
                        Bollocks. You're making that up.
                        15-17. If a man have two wives, one beloved, and another hated--In the original and all other translations, the words are rendered "have had," referring to events that have already taken place; and that the "had" has, by some mistake, been omitted in our version, seems highly probable from the other verbs being in the past tense--"hers that was hated," not "hers that is hated"; evidently intimating that she (the first wife) was dead at the time referred to. Moses, therefore, does not here legislate upon the case of a man who has two wives at the same time, but on that of a man who has married twice in succession, the second wife after the decease of the first; and there was an obvious necessity for legislation in these circumstances; for the first wife, who was hated, was dead, and the second wife, the favorite, was alive; and with the feelings of a stepmother, she would urge her husband to make her own son the heir. This case has no bearing upon polygamy, which there is no evidence that the Mosaic code legalized.

                        https://www.biblestudytools.com/comm...ronomy-21.html

                        So she did not make it up...
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                        • #57
                          Originally posted by Roy View Post
                          Which Bible scholar, and why should he be believed?I've got the actual text in the dozen-or-so translations I've checked. That's more than your argument from unnamed and uncited authority.

                          The text says "has", present tense, not "has had". You are the one making the text say what you want it to.
                          I've got the actual text, too, in several translations. If all you are doing is reading different translations, which basically say the same thing, and not digging deeper into what actual scholars who have studied the ORIGINAL texts have said, then you are simply ignorant.


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                          • #58
                            Originally posted by Roy View Post
                            The actual scriptural basis of marriage is one man with as many wives as he wants and can support, providing he does not get too distracted from his duties.
                            Nonsense, this is not saying that God is good with polygamy. Polygamy was widely practiced, but no where do we find the law of God condoning it.
                            Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                            • #59
                              God, in the OT, is all like, "You want multiple wives? LOL ok. I don't even have to punish you for it."
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                              • #60
                                Originally posted by seer View Post
                                15-17. If a man have two wives, one beloved, and another hated--In the original and all other translations, the words are rendered "have had," referring to events that have already taken place; and that the "had" has, by some mistake, been omitted in our version, seems highly probable from the other verbs being in the past tense--"hers that was hated," not "hers that is hated"; ...
                                https://www.biblestudytools.com/comm...ronomy-21.html
                                That's just not true. Those words are not rendered "has had" or "have had" in any translation I can find, let alone all of them:

                                NIV: If a man has two wives, and he loves one but not the other
                                NKJV: If a man has two wives, one loved and the other unloved,
                                NLT: Suppose a man has two wives, but he loves one and not the other,
                                NASB: If a man has two wives, the one loved and the other unloved,
                                CEB: Now suppose a man has two wives—one of them loved and the other unloved.

                                So she did not make it up...
                                I concede that she may not have made it up, but instead be believing something some-one else made up.
                                Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.

                                MM: First of all, the Bible is a fixed document.
                                MM on covid-19: We're talking about an illness with a better than 99.9% rate of survival.

                                seer: I believe that so called 'compassion' [for starving Palestinian kids] maybe a cover for anti Semitism, ...

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