'Brain Dead' Child Wakes Day Before Being Removed From Life Support

[Teallaura]

Doctors get it wrong all the time, so no big deal. Most likely someone screwed up big time here because if the kid was actually brain dead for any length of time, even if he did regain consciousness, he would have extreme brain damage.

You want to reread what you just wrote or are you actually this unconscionably heartless? No big deal? Almost killing a child is NO BIG DEAL?

[JimL]

You want to reread what you just wrote or are you actually this unconscionably heartless? No big deal? Almost killing a child is NO BIG DEAL?

That's no what I meant Tea. What I meant is the fact that Doctors get things wrong is not unusual.

[DesertBerean]

That's no what I meant Tea. What I meant is the fact that Doctors get things wrong is not unusual.

Perhaps...but I agree with Teal. You made a very poor choice of words.

[Sparko]

That's no what I meant Tea. What I meant is the fact that Doctors get things wrong is not unusual.

It better be or we are all in trouble.

[JimL]

It better be or we are all in trouble.

Why in trouble? There's always heaven!

[Sparko]

Why in trouble? There's always heaven!

Yes, JimL there is still a chance for you too, so you might want to avoid those doctors that keep making those mistakes.

[Christianbookworm]

What about the ones that take off the wrong leg or remove the wrong organ? Oops.

[mossrose]

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[Teallaura]

That's no what I meant Tea. What I meant is the fact that Doctors get things wrong is not unusual.

Okay, but then your point makes little sense. Look, the law that allows killing people because they are presumed to already be functionally dead (brain death being the usual standard) is based on the idea that this can be reliably determined. If it is not unusual for doctors to get this wrong, then there is no rational legal basis for removing life support at all. Ditto moral and ethical basis' - they all stem from the theory that we can tell 'live brain' from 'dead brain' reliably - it's crucial that it be reliable. It's literally the difference between legal cessation of biological life support and murder.

If doctors are getting this wrong as a normal course of business, then the law forbids it - they are literally murdering people. Certainly the law allows for some error - but it HAS to be exceptional and rare or it really doesn't matter if the person would recover or not - pulling the plug becomes second degree murder (in probably most jurisdictions).

[Teallaura]

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Move it. please. Snide comment aside, I don't object to Jim's participation or some debate.

[Jedidiah]

Move it. please. Snide comment aside, I don't object to Jim's participation or some debate.

Just not in this forum.

[JimL]

Okay, but then your point makes little sense. Look, the law that allows killing people because they are presumed to already be functionally dead (brain death being the usual standard) is based on the idea that this can be reliably determined. If it is not unusual for doctors to get this wrong, then there is no rational legal basis for removing life support at all. Ditto moral and ethical basis' - they all stem from the theory that we can tell 'live brain' from 'dead brain' reliably - it's crucial that it be reliable. It's literally the difference between legal cessation of biological life support and murder.

If doctors are getting this wrong as a normal course of business, then the law forbids it - they are literally murdering people. Certainly the law allows for some error - but it HAS to be exceptional and rare or it really doesn't matter if the person would recover or not - pulling the plug becomes second degree murder (in probably most jurisdictions).

All true, but brain death itself is not an exact science. This isn't the first time that someone has been declared brain dead only to later awake.

[JimL]

Okay, but then your point makes little sense. Look, the law that allows killing people because they are presumed to already be functionally dead (brain death being the usual standard) is based on the idea that this can be reliably determined. If it is not unusual for doctors to get this wrong, then there is no rational legal basis for removing life support at all. Ditto moral and ethical basis' - they all stem from the theory that we can tell 'live brain' from 'dead brain' reliably - it's crucial that it be reliable. It's literally the difference between legal cessation of biological life support and murder.

If doctors are getting this wrong as a normal course of business, then the law forbids it - they are literally murdering people. Certainly the law allows for some error - but it HAS to be exceptional and rare or it really doesn't matter if the person would recover or not - pulling the plug becomes second degree murder (in probably most jurisdictions).

All true, but brain death itself is not an exact science. This isn't the first time that someone has been declared brain dead only to later awake. It happens!

[rogue06]

You want to reread what you just wrote or are you actually this unconscionably heartless? No big deal? Almost killing a child is NO BIG DEAL?

I would think that when you don't blink an eye at 45,151,389 unborn babies being killed between 1970 and 2014 in the U.S. alone it would tend to make one callus toward human life in general.

[Teallaura]

Just not in this forum.

Which is why I requested the move to Civics.