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The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostTo a conspiracy nut, the lack of evidence is the most convincing evidence of all.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostAnd, of course, his tax returns should have been leaked long ago. Sorry, Sparko - Trump controls this footage, has a reputation for legal action when crossed. That the footage has not been released is not a valid argument for "it doesn't exist." Indeed, as I noted, a stronger argument is, "if the footage exonerated him, why isn't it being released to do exactly that? Trump could lay this claim to rest with a single act.
But I do find it interesting that arguments from "why are they not releasing them" is perfectly acceptable when it's about Clinton and her emails, but somehow magically doesn't work when it's about Trump's video footage...
Trump doesn't have footage locked up in a vault. If you think he is that self-aware that he would know to do that, then he would have been self-aware not to have been racist on camera in the first place. This is a guy who has an ego bigger than the moon who just says whatever pops into his head at the moment and then doesn't give a crap about it or the consequences. If he were racist on camera, he wouldn't even notice or bother to hide the footage.
Not to mention he was just a star and executive producer. That is not a hands on position - he did not work on the set other than as the star. Executive producer means he put up some money. He didn't actually sit there while they edited the footage, or would even know where it was stored. It would just be stored on some computer hard drives and offloaded to the studeo's filing room after it was done. It would still be there. Anyone with studio access could just access it.
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostDid you catch my quote from Tony Perkins (who is one of the most influential Christian conservatives) earlier explicitly saying he was excusing Trump's affair because he was willing to attack Democrats?
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Originally posted by guacamole View PostI'm not basing my opinion on anything other than cynicism, or perhaps my suspicious misanthropy. While I do dislike Trump, my original comment was that he is probably no more or less racist than the average person, including myself.
I don't know if they would have released it or not. He might not have said things on camera. The producers might be political supporters. He might be paying them off.
In any case, those don't prove the racism--they are simply explanations as to why the original argument from silence doesn't work. The fact that there is no released footage of Trump being racist on a mainstream prime time network television show has no bearing on whether or not he is racist. He does tend to run off at the mouth, but that's why I noted that it could reflect the competence or sympathy of his producers.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostThe fact that no such footage has been released is not an indication that such footage exists, Carp. It is basically inventing something then using the lack of evidence for it as evidence FOR it. Just like the whole Russian collusion. No evidence, just rumors. And then we get the argument, well we just haven't found the proof YET, but it's there! This is the same thing.
Originally posted by Sparko View PostTrump doesn't have footage locked up in a vault. If you think he is that self-aware that he would know to do that, then he would have been self-aware not to have been racist on camera in the first place. This is a guy who has an ego bigger than the moon who just says whatever pops into his head at the moment and then doesn't give a crap about it or the consequences. If he were racist on camera, he wouldn't even notice or bother to hide the footage.
Originally posted by Sparko View PostNot to mention he was just a star and executive producer. That is not a hands on position - he did not work on the set other than as the star. Executive producer means he put up some money. He didn't actually sit there while they edited the footage, or would even know where it was stored. It would just be stored on some computer hard drives and offloaded to the studeo's filing room after it was done. It would still be there. Anyone with studio access could just access it.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostSince the existence of this footage has been attested to by people involved with the program, I didn't "invent" anything.
It is also known practice for reality TV programs to record an enormous amount of footage, and then edit it down to what is broadcast. So the existence of non-aired footage is pretty much a given. What remains is whether or not this footage contains racist comments (as claimed). If it does, Trump would have a good reason to keep it under lock and key. If it does not, his reason is....?
Pretty much nonstop assumptions. I don't find them compelling.
And anyone who releases footage Trump has said "keep it under lock and key" is subject to his infamous proclivity for lawsuits. Sorry, Sparko, that Trump has, as executive producer, prevented publication is a matter of public record. He has the authority, and he has exercised it. All that remains is to know "why."
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostAnd, of course, his tax returns should have been leaked long ago.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostOK show me them saying that.
Originally posted by Sparko View PostHe has no way to do that is what I am trying to tell you. The studio has the footage, not Trump. And your other idea about "if he has nothing to hide why doesn't he release the footage?" is nonsense too. He doesn't have it socked away in a vault as far as I know and if there is that much footage where would he release terrabytes of video footage to
Originally posted by Sparko View Postlook who's talking about nonstop assumptions. Sorry but I have to use one of those dumb smilies here that you hate so much.
Meanwhile, feel free to outline where I have made an assumption. The statements of the participants in The Apprentice are a matter of public record. Trump's refusal to release the video is a matter of public record. Trump's behavior/language with respect to race is a matter of public record. Trump's legal battles around racism are a matter of public record. Trump's position on lying is a matter of public record. All that remains is a determination, on my part, that all of this paints a compelling picture. So If that last part is an "assumption," it is an assumption based on a lot of information that is a matter of public record.
Originally posted by Sparko View PostGee. and nobody ever releases anything about Trump anonymously do they?The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostFWIU Trump emailed them to Hillary but she deleted them.
OK - that was good...The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostStart here.
Sparko - I think you perhaps do not understand the role of the executive producer. There is a reason why Trump wanted to retain that role, even after he was elected.
I don't "hate" them, Sparko. I find them childish. You are free to use them as much as you wish. They don't reflect on me...
Meanwhile, feel free to outline where I have made an assumption. The statements of the participants in The Apprentice are a matter of public record. Trump's refusal to release the video is a matter of public record. Trump's behavior/language with respect to race is a matter of public record. Trump's legal battles around racism are a matter of public record. Trump's position on lying is a matter of public record. All that remains is a determination, on my part, that all of this paints a compelling picture. So If that last part is an "assumption," it is an assumption based on a lot of information that is a matter of public record.
It has happened. So far, we have very little leakage about Trump personally. We have a lot of leakage around the executive office. But after 3 years, only two pages have leaked of his tax return. Very little has leaked of his family dynamics. And nothing has leaked of The Apprentice, as far as I know. The lack of leaks, however, doesn't really tell us anything. The unwillingness of Trump to publish the unseen footage in the light of the allegations? That speaks volumes, at least to me.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostOk so the article was pretty much nothing more than rumors. Pruitt also said that Burnett had the tapes, which would be like I said: The Studio. They are on hard drives on a shelf somewhere. Or on backup tapes. If such did exist, it would be pretty easy for someone to "leak" them anonymously. Especially in hollywood where everyone hates Trump. He can't even keep leaks from happening in his own office.
Or you can just write it off as "liberal attacks."
My guess is you will do the latter.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostOk so the article was pretty much nothing more than rumors. Pruitt also said that Burnett had the tapes, which would be like I said: The Studio. They are on hard drives on a shelf somewhere. Or on backup tapes. If such did exist, it would be pretty easy for someone to "leak" them anonymously. Especially in hollywood where everyone hates Trump. He can't even keep leaks from happening in his own office.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
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