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Originally posted by Sparko View PostBasically Tassy's view is: "There is no such thing as objective morality. But everyone should agree with my morality because it is right!"Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostAre you sure you're not confusing him with Carpe?
If he were consistent, he would say that since the Nazi society decided that killing jews was moral, then it was moral for them to do so.
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Originally posted by seer View PostWho says? You? They are after all both human. Ontologically what is the difference?
What lies? Have we not slaughtered 50 million of our own offspring?]“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostBasically Tassy's view is: "There is no such thing as objective morality.
But everyone should agree with my morality because it is right!"Last edited by Tassman; 06-19-2018, 12:16 AM.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostJews are humans with functioning brains, embryo's/fetus' in the first two trimesters are not. The functioning brain pattern IS the person. When it goes we switch off the life support machine and before it develops there is NO person.
No!Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostJews are humans with functioning brains, embryo's/fetus' in the first two trimesters are not. The functioning brain pattern IS the person. When it goes we switch off the life support machine and before it develops there is NO person.
No!
You said:
Originally posted by TassmanNo, ethical principles are those commonly held by one's own culture, not me personally. .
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostWhat makes a functioning brain the determination of a person? Just because you say so? What if a society disagrees with you and says differently? You already said morality is determined by a society, so who are you to disagree with the Nazis?
Waiting.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by seer View PostAgain, that is your arbitrary definition.
But you did not answer the question: Ontologically what is the difference? And you switch off the life support machine because the person is DEAD.
The unborn child is alive and growing.
But we did, we did slaughter 50 million of our offspring.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostWhat, in your eyes, is the NON ARBITRARY definition, seer? Evidence please.
The body is not dead, just the brain...or as you put it "the person".
...and until it is viable with a functioning brain it is a part of the mother's body, not a 'person' in its own right.
So you like to believe.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostYou like science, right Tass?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostPlease respond to my post #321: "Apparently you DO believe that there is such thing as objective morality. Where does one find it? Certainly not in the bible, because bible-based societies have held quite different moral values throughout history. Or have they all got it wrong except those who agree with your interpretation of biblical morality?"
Waiting.
Now back to you. How can you say what a person is? That would be determined by the laws of a society, correct? It is a legal term? So if the Nazi's determined a person was only a full blooded Aryan then anyone else would be fair game.Last edited by Sparko; 06-20-2018, 09:27 AM.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostYou will have to show me where they had quite different moral values throughout history first. Also, an objective morality doesn't mean everyone follows it correctly.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by seer View PostI told you, human life begins at conception. That is not arbitrary and it is scientific. You like science, right Tass?
If the brain is dead, then the body will die, it is essentially a dead person.
An unborn child is alive before and after it has brain waves. And a human.
Again, a completely arbitrary definition. This again is why you had no rational argument against infanticide in the other thread.
Do you dispute the numbers? What are you arguing against?
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostNot when it goes against his personal prejudices.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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