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  • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Wait! Tassman is WRONG??? This would be the FIRST TIME in the HISTORY of the WORLD!!!!
    "What has the Church gained if it is popular, but there is no conviction, no repentance, no power?" - A.W. Tozer

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    • Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
      You are wrong. Fetuses DO have legal protection.

      https://www.law.cornell.edu/uscode/text/18/1841
      So predictable BtC, we've dealt with this old chestnut before. This Law explicitly contains a provision excepting abortion, stating that it cannot "be construed to permit the prosecution" "of any person for conduct relating to an abortion which has the consent of the pregnant woman..."
      “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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      • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
        I am glad you are not the arbiter of who is a person Tassman. You would have made Hitler proud. You dismiss a baby as inhuman garbage to be disposed of on a whim, "
        Spare me the guilt trip. Sheesh!

        Nobody is referring to "disposing of babies" as "human garbage" on "a whim'. The definition of 'Person' is to provide guidelines in law for the protection of individuals. Currently, in the US, this is generally when the life of the fetus is its own and viable and therefore subject to being protected by the state.
        “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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        • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
          Spare me the guilt trip. Sheesh!

          Nobody is referring to "disposing of babies" as "human garbage" on "a whim'. The definition of 'Person' is to provide guidelines in law for the protection of individuals. Currently, in the US, this is generally when the life of the fetus is its own and viable and therefore subject to being protected by the state.
          Tassman, you just don't know the law. but that doesn't stop you from pontificating and advocating the murder of innocent human beings while pretending to care about what names people call murdering gang members. Hypocrite.

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          • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
            Tassman, you just don't know the law. but that doesn't stop you from pontificating and advocating the murder of innocent human beings while pretending to care about what names people call murdering gang members. Hypocrite.
            Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

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            • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
              Tassman, you just don't know the law. but that doesn't stop you from pontificating and advocating the murder of innocent human beings .
              "Murder is the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law. The current judicial interpretation of the U.S. Constitution regarding abortion in the United States, following the Supreme Court of the United States's 1973 landmark decision in Roe v. Wade, and subsequent companion decisions, is that abortion is legal under specific conditions". - Cited Wiki.

              “When Roe was first decided, most of the Southern evangelicals who today make up the backbone of the anti-abortion movement believed that abortion was a deeply personal issue in which government shouldn’t play a role.”...“The Baptist Press, a wire service run by the Southern Baptist Convention — the biggest Evangelical organization in the US — ran an op-ed praising the ruling. “Religious liberty, human equality and justice are advanced by the Supreme Court abortion decision,” read the January 31, 1973, piece by W. Barry Garrett, The Baptist Press’s Washington bureau chief.”

              https://billmoyers.com/2014/07/17/wh...re-pro-choice/

              So what's changed?
              “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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              • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                "Murder is the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law. The current judicial interpretation of the U.S. Constitution regarding abortion in the United States, following the Supreme Court of the United States's 1973 landmark decision in Roe v. Wade, and subsequent companion decisions, is that abortion is legal under specific conditions". - Cited Wiki.

                “When Roe was first decided, most of the Southern evangelicals who today make up the backbone of the anti-abortion movement believed that abortion was a deeply personal issue in which government shouldn’t play a role.”...“The Baptist Press, a wire service run by the Southern Baptist Convention — the biggest Evangelical organization in the US — ran an op-ed praising the ruling. “Religious liberty, human equality and justice are advanced by the Supreme Court abortion decision,” read the January 31, 1973, piece by W. Barry Garrett, The Baptist Press’s Washington bureau chief.”

                https://billmoyers.com/2014/07/17/wh...re-pro-choice/

                So what's changed?
                Even having been called out on it, in typical Tassman fashion, you simply play the same broken record over and over.
                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                  Even having been called out on it, in typical Tassman fashion, you simply play the same broken record over and over.
                  Things would go a lot easier is we all just realized that Tass is NEVER wrong...
                  Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                  • Originally posted by seer View Post
                    Things would go a lot easier is we all just realized that Tass is NEVER wrong...
                    It's just that he's NEVER wrong so ineptly!
                    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                    • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                      So predictable BtC, we've dealt with this old chestnut before. This Law explicitly contains a provision excepting abortion, stating that it cannot "be construed to permit the prosecution" "of any person for conduct relating to an abortion which has the consent of the pregnant woman..."
                      So, it simply makes a stipulation for WHO can kill you and get away with it. It still disproves your entire theory that a fetus does not have rights.
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                      • Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                        "Murder is the killing of another human being under conditions specifically covered in law. The current judicial interpretation of the U.S. Constitution regarding abortion in the United States, following the Supreme Court of the United States's 1973 landmark decision in Roe v. Wade, and subsequent companion decisions, is that abortion is legal under specific conditions". - Cited Wiki.

                        “When Roe was first decided, most of the Southern evangelicals who today make up the backbone of the anti-abortion movement believed that abortion was a deeply personal issue in which government shouldn’t play a role.”...“The Baptist Press, a wire service run by the Southern Baptist Convention — the biggest Evangelical organization in the US — ran an op-ed praising the ruling. “Religious liberty, human equality and justice are advanced by the Supreme Court abortion decision,” read the January 31, 1973, piece by W. Barry Garrett, The Baptist Press’s Washington bureau chief.”

                        https://billmoyers.com/2014/07/17/wh...re-pro-choice/

                        So what's changed?
                        The point flying over your head:



                        Are you really this clueless or do you just pretend to be?

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                        • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                          The point flying over your head:



                          Are you really this clueless or do you just pretend to be?
                          I've seldom seen anyone more straitjacketed to their own point of view. It's like he's incapable of seeing anything else.
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                          • Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                            I've seldom seen anyone more straitjacketed to their own point of view. It's like he's incapable of seeing anything else.
                            And yet he calls Christians closed minded...
                            Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                            https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                            • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                              Even having been called out on it, in typical Tassman fashion, you simply play the same broken record over and over.
                              Not at all! I’m adopting the position in 1973 of W. Barry Garrett, the Baptist Press’s Washington bureau chief.” Namely:

                              “When Roe was first decided, most of the Southern evangelicals who today make up the backbone of the anti-abortion movement believed that abortion was a deeply personal issue in which government shouldn’t play a role.”...“The Baptist Press, a wire service run by the Southern Baptist Convention — the biggest Evangelical organization in the US — ran an op-ed praising the ruling. “Religious liberty, human equality and justice are advanced by the Supreme Court abortion decision,”

                              https://billmoyers.com/2014/07/17/wh...re-pro-choice/

                              So what’s changed over the past 45 years to make you lot so adamantly opposed to abortion under any circumstances? You seem unable to address this straightforward question.
                              “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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                              • Originally posted by Bill the Cat View Post
                                So, it simply makes a stipulation for WHO can kill you and get away with it. It still disproves your entire theory that a fetus does not have rights.
                                Stop being so dramatically outraged. A fetus does have rights. Currently, in the US, this is generally when the life of the fetus is its own and viable and therefore subject to being protected by the state.
                                “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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