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Abortion Is Equal To Murder?
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Last edited by Tassman; 06-16-2018, 02:00 AM.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostI do not agree with the rationale of the OP, it is an extremist, minority position. The rational response is that once a fetus has attained viability and could survive outside its mother's womb, usually at the end of the second trimester, then it is entitled to the protection of law. But, this aside, there is no doubt that once birth has occurred then it is a "person" whether Jewish or whatever.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostI do not agree with the rationale of the OP, it is an extremist, minority position. The rational response is that once a fetus has attained viability and could survive outside its mother's womb, usually at the end of the second trimester, then it is entitled to the protection of law. But, this aside, there is no doubt that once birth has occurred then it is a "person" whether Jewish or whatever.
Originally posted by seer View PostThis is a syllogism by a cyber friend from New Zealand, Bnonn Tennant. I think the logic is solid.
1.It is wrong to kill another human being for personal reasons (because it is murder)
2.A human zygote or fetus is a human being
3.Therefore, it is wrong to kill a human zygote or fetus for personal reasons
https://bnonn.com/why-abortion-is-ir...ent-to-murder/
Currently, at least 38 states have fetal homicide laws: Alabama, Alaska, Arizona, Arkansas, California, Florida, Georgia, Idaho, Illinois, Indiana, Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maryland, Massachusetts, Michigan, Minnesota, Mississippi, Missouri, Montana, Nebraska, Nevada, New Hampshire, North Carolina, North Dakota, Ohio, Oklahoma, Pennsylvania, Rhode Island, South Carolina, South Dakota, Tennessee, Texas, Utah, Virginia, Washington, West Virginia and Wisconsin. At least 29 states have fetal homicide laws that apply to the earliest stages of pregnancy ("any state of gestation/development," "conception," "fertilization" or "post-fertilization")
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Now, let's analyze your nutty post in the light of FACTS:
Originally posted by Tassman View PostI do not agree with the rationale of the OP,
it is an extremist, minority position.
The rational response is that once a fetus has attained viability and could survive outside its mother's womb, usually at the end of the second trimester, then it is entitled to the protection of law.
But, this aside, there is no doubt that once birth has occurred then it is a "person" whether Jewish or whatever.
Unfortunately, RoeVWade made a major exception to these INFANTICIDE cases by excluding abortion.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostTrue!
"Conservative definitions [of genocide] emphasize intentional actions and policies of governments that result in very large population losses, usually from direct killing. More liberal definitions call for less stringent criteria for intent, focusing more on outcomes. They do not necessarily require direct sanction by state authorities; rather, they identify societal forces and actors. They also allow for several intersecting forces of destruction, including dispossession and disease".
http://americanhistory.oxfordre.com/...0199329175-e-3
Much the same can be said of the Australian treatment of aborigines as with the native Americans. Not something for which either nation can be proud.Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostYou appear to be sidestepping the point, which was the government-sanctioned massacre of aborigines. That's why there are no native Tasmanians today.
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Originally posted by seer View PostNo Tass, that is merely your opinion, logically why is your definition more correct or right? And remember in this country the right to abortion was once a minority position, so that distinction does not wash.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostLeaving aside your misguided attempt to claim a universal god-mandated moral law, which you've never been able to show, my response was to your erroneous equating of abortion with the Jewish holocaust. Leaving aside the dispute about fetal personhood, there is no doubt that at birth legal protection obtains for ALL people, including Jews. In short, you were presenting a false equivalence between the rights of fetus' and Jews.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostNonsense Tass, all the Nazi culture had to do was declare to Jews as subhuman - as we are doing with the unborn. It does matter if you agree or not, your opinion on what constitutes a "person" or who gets "rights" is just as arbitrary as the Nazis'.
And you are correct - we can't equate the two - abortion, by numbers, is much worse. 50 million of our own offspring slaughtered since Roe in my country alone...
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Calm yourself, DQ, you're going to have a stroke. Some of us don't believe evolution is nonsense, and many of us don't believe environmentalism is a farce.
Why do you promote such garbage in the name of anti-Christian hate?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostCalm yourself, DQ, you're going to have a stroke. Some of us don't believe evolution is nonsense,
and many of us don't believe environmentalism is a farce.
Why do you promote such garbage in the name of anti-Christian hate?
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostThis from the person who thinks sustainable farming is sufficient to prevent climate change.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostAgain, it's a false equivalence. One cannot compare an insensate embryo/fetus with a born human being.
What lies? Have we not slaughtered 50 million of our own offspring?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostNothing there!The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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