Jerusalem Embassy

[firstfloor]

[Starlight]

[KingsGambit]

Who is Jeanine Pirro?

[seer]

Why do they have blood on their hands? What about Hamas that organized the rabble to rush and attempt to breach the border?

http://www.businessinsider.com/gaza-...assy-us-2018-5

[NorrinRadd]

Who is Jeanine Pirro?

Hostess of "Justice with Judge Jeanine" Saturday nights on FNC.

I find her general brassiness rather winsome, but her monologues ("Opening Statements") annoy me.

[Faber]

Yeah, let's not blame the Palestinians who were rioting.

And no, President Trump didn't fulfill any prophecy.

[Starlight]

"Antifa hits protesting Nazis with fists... bad. Israel guns down protesting Palestinians with bullets killing them... good." - what seems to pass for "thought" among US conservatives.

[Raphael]

"Antifa hits protesting Nazis with fists... bad. Israel guns down protesting Palestinians with bullets killing them... good." - what seems to pass for "thought" among US conservatives.

Are you that filled with hatred for Israel that you can't see the difference?

Antifa punching Nazi's is bad because it's common assault (note: Nazi scum are just as bad and undesirable as Antifa scum).

Whereas Israeli soldiers are defending their citizens against a violent enemy that has vowed to bring about the complete destruction of Israel.

[Mountain Man]

Why do they have blood on their hands? What about Hamas that organized the rabble to rush and attempt to breach the border?

http://www.businessinsider.com/gaza-...assy-us-2018-5

But don't you see? If Trump hadn't moved the embassy, then Hamas would have never rioted! So it's all Trump's fault!

[One Bad Pig]

But don't you see? If Trump hadn't moved the embassy, then Hamas would have never rioted! So it's all Trump's fault!

Trump picked the perfect day to move the embassy, since the Palestinians always riot today anyhow. Strangely, they don't riot against the Arab countries which told them to get out of the way while they tried to push nascent Israel into the sea.

[Starlight]

Are you that filled with hatred for Israel that you can't see the difference?

They operate the world's largest open-air prison and then gun down the inmates when they protest. Should I love them for that?

Whereas Israeli soldiers are defending their citizens against a violent enemy that has vowed to bring about the complete destruction of Israel.

AFAIK any such threats were made >40 years ago. Can you cite any examples of major existential threats to Israel in the last few decades?

[Starlight]

Strangely, they don't riot against the Arab countries which told them to get out of the way while they tried to push nascent Israel into the sea.

As far as I can determine the authenticity of any "push Israel into the sea" quotes from any major Arab leaders is pretty dubious and second-hand, not to mention decades in the past if it ever happened.

But obviously, yes, several wars were fought against Israel. The Palestinians were kind of fighting against an existential threat, which they lost. And now Israel treats the remainder as second class citizens in an apartheid regime when it doesn't have them locked in high-density squalor behind a literal wall that it mostly doesn't let them out of, and guns them down if they protest too much.

[Raphael]

They operate the world's largest open-air prison and then gun down the inmates when they protest. Should I love them for that?

You mean the one the border that Egypt enforces even more strictly than Israel?

AFAIK any such threats were made >40 years ago. Can you cite any examples of major existential threats to Israel in the last few decades?

oh, I don't know, the DAILY MISSILE ATTACKS for one.

[Starlight]

You mean the one the border that Egypt enforces even more strictly than Israel?

Two wrongs don't make a right.

oh, I don't know, the DAILY MISSILE ATTACKS for one.

Certainly bad, but certainly not an existential threat to the nation of Israel.


P.S. I'm not trying to absolve the Palestinians of any wrongdoing. My view is that all sides in the conflict over the last 70+ years have acted atrociously at times (including and especially the British who decided it would be a great idea to plonk their unwanted Jews down in the middle of Arab territories and displace the existing peoples and cause the problem in the first place). It's however the case that at the present point in time, Israel has more power in the situation, and so it is able to commit atrocities at a higher rate than than Palestinians and appears to be choosing to do so. My view is that we have a moral obligation to support the powerless when they are being picked on by the powerful. That is not at all to imply that the Palestinians are historically innocent (though of course their kids / young adults today are arguably entirely innocent). Any solutions to the problem are complex. But the greater responsibility always lies with the group who is more powerful in any situation and the morality of their actions needs to be examined more closely than the powerless group.

[One Bad Pig]

As far as I can determine the authenticity of any "push Israel into the sea" quotes from any major Arab leaders is pretty dubious and second-hand, not to mention decades in the past if it ever happened.

You are aware that one of Hamas' central planks remains the complete destruction of Israel, yes?

But obviously, yes, several wars were fought against Israel. The Palestinians were kind of fighting against an existential threat, which they lost. And now Israel treats the remainder as second class citizens in an apartheid regime when it doesn't have them locked in high-density squalor behind a literal wall that it mostly doesn't let them out of, and guns them down if they protest too much.

When those let out are liable to blow themselves up on busses and in cafes, it's reasonable to keep them behind the walls. They got there because Israel, for some strange reason, didn't want to re-admit people dedicated to obliterating them, and the Arab countries with all their petrodollars refused to take them in. Well, Jordan was home to some for a while - then Arafat's PLO decided to attempt a takeover which got them bloodily kicked out.