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    Question about Catholicism and separation of church and state

    I recently saw a Catholic argue that separation of church and state is heretical within Catholicism according to Pope Pius IX. Practically speaking, is whatever he actually said still considered to be in force? In what way?

    (This particular part of the Internet has a number of Catholic monarchists.)
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    I know Leonhard spoke against the separation of church and state a while back. I'm thinking he said something about it being "anti-Catholic", or something along those lines.

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    Could this be part of it?

    UNE FOIS ENCORE (On the Separation of Church and State)
    Pope Pius X

    4. Recourse to God, so infinitely good, is all the more necessary because, far from abating, the struggle grows fiercer and expands unceasingly. It is no longer only the Christian faith that they would uproot at all costs from the hearts of the people; it is any belief which lifting man above the horizon of this world would supernaturally bring back his wearied eyes to heaven. Illusion on the subject is no longer possible. War has been declared against everything supernatural, because behind the supernatural stands God, and because it is God that they want to tear out of the mind and heart of man.
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    or this?

    On the Separation of Church and State: Pope Francis vs. Pope Pius X

    "That the State must be separated from the Church," said the great (and actually humble) Pope Pius in Vehementer Nos, "is a thesis absolutely false, a most pernicious error. Based, as it is, on the principle that the State must not recognize any religious cult, it is in the first place guilty of a great injustice to God; for the Creator of man is also the Founder of human societies, and preserves their existence as He preserves our own. We owe Him, therefore, not only a private cult, but a public and social worship to honor Him..."
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    This is an interesting topic to me, so I've been doing some more digging...

    Here's an interesting video explaining that the Catholic Church cannot support "separation of church and state", but the guy clarifies it as a "distinction" not a "separation". And he takes it back to Pope Pius IX.

    http://taylormarshall.com/2015/09/ca...and-state.html

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    Are you confusing Pius IX and Pius X?
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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    Are you confusing Pius IX and Pius X?
    No sir, I have references to both. It was an interesting topic, so I shared what I found.

    I realized my earlier references were commentary by X, so I kept digging, hence....

    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    This is an interesting topic to me, so I've been doing some more digging...

    Here's an interesting video explaining that the Catholic Church cannot support "separation of church and state", but the guy clarifies it as a "distinction" not a "separation". And he takes it back to Pope Pius IX.
    Every problem is the result of a previous solution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    No sir, I have references to both. It was an interesting topic, so I shared what I found.

    I realized my earlier references were commentary by X, so I kept digging, hence....
    So you WERE confusing them at first.
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    Quote Originally Posted by One Bad Pig View Post
    So you WERE confusing them at first.
    No sir, I knew that was X, because I couldn't find anything on IX -- so I was offering what I could find. Initially, I couldn't find anything on IX.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cow Poke View Post
    No sir, I knew that was X, because I couldn't find anything on IX -- so I was offering what I could find. Initially, I couldn't find anything on IX.
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