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Originally posted by Tassman View PostIt's pretty hard, even for Fox, to pretend that Trump got something substantive out of the deal. There's no proof that Nth Korea will follow up on its promises to “work toward the complete denuclearization of the Korean Peninsula.” North Korea has made similar promises to the previous three US administrations, and each time it has reneged. Furthermore Trump has betrayed the US's South Korean ally by giving up the joint military exercises, which is precisely what Kim AND China have both been after for ages, and got nothing in return.
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostThat one's easy. Obama spoke at UVM in his last couple of years in office. His speech was about the challenges of the modern era, and the challenges America faces in the coming years.
Also, Obama spoke often about the accomplishments of the administrative and legislative team. He was not beyond tooting his own horn, but it was the exception to the rule - not the rule. Trump does it each and every speech I have seen, in any context.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostOn Netflix's "The Break with Michelle Wolf" they asked the audience the question "Are You Sort Of Hoping We Don't Get Peace With North Korea So You Wouldn't Have To Give Trump Credit?"
71% said yes.
It is pretty difficult to find anything on this but here is a video clip that I'm not directly linking to due to the use of a naughty word for the rectum https://twitter.com/BrentHBaker/status/1003709048557064199
Bill Maher on HBO hopes for economic disaster for the U.S. purely because that would hurt Trump and these idiots would rather see a nuclear armed North Korea than Trump get any credit for disarmament
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Increasingly unhinged folks.
It seems that the left has changed one of their slogans: GivePeaceNuclear War A Chance
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostI have neither the time nor inclination to trace through all of this. From my perspective, it is an marvelous example of the ongoing problem with the right recognizing that racial inequality and disenfranchisement is alive and well in the U.S. of A. In my experience, no amount of evidence will counter that perspective.
It's sad - because there remains a great deal of work to be done. The right will either join in and be part of the solution, or they will be marginalized as the rest of us work to solve the problems.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostI was hoping for more than a vague assertion. "[Obama] was not beyond tooting his own horn" is a massive understatement.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostI agree, but that's probably not what you intended to say.
I have neither the time nor inclination to trace through all of this. From my perspective, it is an marvelous example of the ongoing problem with the right recognizing that racial inequality and disenfranchisement is alive and well in the U.S. of A. In my experience, no amount of evidence will counter that lack of recognition by so many on the right.
Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostI see your broad-brush, and raise you one. The policies of the left are doing a bang-up job of perpetuating the problem, because the left generally is not interested in a solution. A solution might cost them votes.
There are places to attack racism head-on (e.g., the resume problem, etc.). Most other strategies, IMO, should focus on effects.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostYou know - my entire involvement in this discussion is an error. I noted Trump's perpetual self-aggrandizement, and the response was "what about Obama?" I fell right into the "whataboutism" trap. What Obama may or may not have done is irrelevant to the observation that Trump self-promotes and brags personally - about himself - at every opportunity, claims credit for things he did not do, claims he accomplished things he did not, and exaggerates many (all?) claims beyond credibility.
There's an old saying: "How do you know a politician is lying? Answer: His lips are moving." Self promotion is the new thing. Nobody toots your horn like yourself. It's how the Peter principle goes from theory to reality IMO."What has the Church gained if it is popular, but there is no conviction, no repentance, no power?" - A.W. Tozer
"... there are two parties in Washington, the stupid party and the evil party, who occasionally get together and do something both stupid and evil, and this is called bipartisanship." - Everett Dirksen
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Originally posted by Littlejoe View PostI think the point that should have been made is: they ALL do it, left, right it doesn't seem to matter.
There's an old saying: "How do you know a politician is lying? Answer: His lips are moving." Self promotion is the new thing. Nobody toots your horn like yourself. It's how the Peter principle goes from theory to reality IMO.
Trump is a different animal. When he is not personally claiming credit, he's blaming someone else for the failure. And he takes credit for things he did not do, and for things that have not actually been done! It is mind-blowing to me that anyone cannot see the difference between Trump and ANY president that has preceded him in my lifetime. We have had inspirational leaders, we have had competent leaders, and we've a a few well-meaning-but-pretty-impotent leaders. Trump is the first full-blown megalomaniac in my experience.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostThat one's easy. Obama spoke at UVM in his last couple of years in office. His speech was about the challenges of the modern era, and the challenges America faces in the coming years.
Also, Obama spoke often about the accomplishments of the administrative and legislative team. He was not beyond tooting his own horn, but it was the exception to the rule - not the rule. Trump does it each and every speech I have seen, in any context.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post00000000000000ars8a.gif
But I choose to pretend otherwise since any evidence
to the contrary is nothing but a right wing meme
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
The second makes the mistake of number of instances versus length of references. It's apples and oranges. You also can pick one speech from each person and end up making Obama look good or Trump look bad. Try looking over the breadth of their speeches to see the pattern.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostThose are just examples not arguments!
The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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