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  • #91
    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    OK, I'm worn out from having to drag that out of you, so I'm going to take a swim, then maybe a nap.
    You should grill some sausages and squash.

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    • #92
      Originally posted by Sparko View Post
      You should grill some sausages and squash.
      Not a bad idea, so I done did it.

      lunch.jpg

      jalapeno cheese sausage!
      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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      • #93
        Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
        What you posted comes across as condescending, whether you explicitly intended it to or not.
        It's not.

        Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
        You know Trump just pardoned a black guy, right?
        Yes.
        The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

        I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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        • #94
          Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
          I swear, Trump could raise MLK from the dead, and you pinko commie liberals would scream "why didn't he do that as a CANDIDATE!"
          Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
          Trump wouldn't do that. MLK was black...
          Just yesterday....

          Trump pardons late black boxing champion Jack Johnson

          Trump-Pardons-Boxer-Jack-Johnson.jpg

          Commence spinning....
          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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          • #95
            I'm kind of surprised nobody pardoned Johnson until now. There have been people calling for that particular pardon for a long time, and there's really no political downside to it. You don't exactly have a large constituency of people out there who are openly against interracial relationships.
            "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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            • #96
              Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
              I'm kind of surprised nobody pardoned Johnson until now. There have been people calling for that particular pardon for a long time, and there's really no political downside to it. You don't exactly have a large constituency of people out there who are openly against interracial relationships.
              Apparently, there have been calls for this for quite some time, so, yeah, why wait til now?
              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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              • #97
                Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                Apparently, there have been calls for this for quite some time, so, yeah, why wait til now?
                The timing makes plenty of sense to me at least... it's at the same time that he's telling NFL players not to protest.
                "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                  Just yesterday....

                  Trump pardons late black boxing champion Jack Johnson

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                  Commence spinning....
                  What do you want me to spin?
                  The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                  I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                  • #99
                    Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                    I'm kind of surprised nobody pardoned Johnson until now. There have been people calling for that particular pardon for a long time, and there's really no political downside to it. You don't exactly have a large constituency of people out there who are openly against interracial relationships.
                    This is one I fault Obama for. He spent so much time trying to NOT make his race an issue, he ended up making race an issue. He somewhat reminded me of my wife. She hates to be the center of attention. Sometimes, her efforts to be "inconspicuous" end up making her incredibly conspicuous. I remember a time we went to a church (yes, I do that now and then), and the entry was via a side door. My wife does not want to be in the front rows...too conspicuous. But the aisles were crowded. By the time she had made her way to an "inconspicuous" seat at the back, almost every eye in the church was following the crazy lady working her way down the aisle to get to the back.
                    The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                    I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                    • Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                      The timing makes plenty of sense to me at least... it's at the same time that he's telling NFL players not to protest.
                      Hey...if you're accused of racism...one way to challenge the optics is to pardon the black boxer from the early 20th century...


                      (there, CP, did that meet the need...? )
                      The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                      I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                      • Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                        This is one I fault Obama for. He spent so much time trying to NOT make his race an issue...
                        Wait, WHAT? He turned just about everything into race! Between him and Holder... wow.
                        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                        • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                          Wait, WHAT? He turned just about everything into race! Between him and Holder... wow.
                          Yeah...I hear that a lot from the right.

                          Frankly, it doesn't reflect well. If people on the right want to stop being seen as (or accused of being) racist, maybe toning down the rhetoric and not supporting initiatives like the N.C Voter ID law would be a good way to change that perception?

                          Obama found himself, over his eight years, constantly caught between the African American community that wanted him to take a stand against racism and for that community, and much of the white community that didn't want to hear a thing about race. If he said nothing, he was "abandoning his people." If he spoke out, even only as much as any other president, he was "race baiting." Head's you win, tails I lose.
                          The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                          I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                          • Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                            Yeah...I hear that a lot from the right.
                            Yeah.... It happens to be true, your implied disparagement of the right notwithstanding. The Democrat party is heavily into identity politics, and the Divider in Chief led the charge.
                            Frankly, it doesn't reflect well. If people on the right want to stop being seen as (or accused of being) racist, maybe toning down the rhetoric and not supporting initiatives like the N.C Voter ID law would be a good way to change that perception?
                            It would help if people like you and those on the left (a distinction which is getting rather blurry lately) would stop mischaracterizing a Voter ID law as 'racist'. I'm not sure what rhetoric you're referring to. It's not the right that sees dog-whistle racism everywhere.
                            Obama found himself, over his eight years, constantly caught between the African American community that wanted him to take a stand against racism and for that community, and much of the white community that didn't want to hear a thing about race. If he said nothing, he was "abandoning his people." If he spoke out, even only as much as any other president, he was "race baiting." Head's you win, tails I lose.
                            Race should not be relevant. Racism in all groups should be condemned, but the left which manages to see fantasms of racism in whitey everywhere seems utterly blind to much more obvious racism among blacks and Hispanics. I'm sick and tired of the double standard.
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                            • Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                              Yeah.... It happens to be true, your implied disparagement of the right notwithstanding. The Democrat party is heavily into identity politics, and the Divider in Chief led the charge.
                              Like I said - a common theme from the right. The fact is this country still has a racial problem. In general, the left is too quick to scream "racist" when the issue is nothing of the kind. In general, the right is too quick to dismiss any attempt to examine the problem as "identity politics." It's become the new mantra.

                              Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                              It would help if people like you and those on the left (a distinction which is getting rather blurry lately) would stop mischaracterizing a Voter ID law as 'racist'. I'm not sure what rhetoric you're referring to. It's not the right that sees dog-whistle racism everywhere.
                              I'm sure it's blurry for you, OBP. Most of the discussions we've had here have addresses areas where my views swing more to the left (I tend to be more left socially, and more right fiscally). I have not characterized all voter ID laws as "racist." Indeed, my impression is that voter ID laws are, for the most part a) a solution to a problem that doesn't exist to any significance, and b) is an attempt primarily to suppress Democratic votes because the Republican Party is at a numerical disadvantage in many places. Latest counts put Democratic membership at over 72M and Republican at somewhere around 58M. One way to counter that is to engage in all sorts of tactics to suppress voting by the other side. Both sides do it.

                              It so happens that minorities and the poor tend to vote Democratic, so in targeting Democratic voters, they are prime targets. The situation in North Carolina is different. In North Carolina, the Republicans requested data on use of IDs for voter registration, and specifically asked for the data to be provided broken down by race. Then they explicitly sought to have discounted as "valid" IDs that were predominantly used by black people and other minorities. It is what led the court to describe the VoterID law as "targeting minorities with surgical precision."

                              I have not yet met a single Republican who decries this situation, or takes a stand against it. Perhaps you will be the first? If not, then I think the right needs to look to itself, to some degree, for why the left continually sees them as "racist." You cannot stand by when racist things are done, or defend them, and not subject yourself to the accusation.

                              Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                              Race should not be relevant. Racism in all groups should be condemned, but the left which manages to see fantasms of racism in whitey everywhere seems utterly blind to much more obvious racism among blacks and Hispanics. I'm sick and tired of the double standard.
                              I agree with you, and also put forward a counterpoint: racism is embedded in the fabric of many of our institutions and our society. We cannot have had slavery from the dawn of the colonies until the mid 1800s, Jim Crow (and other racist attitudes) from then until the 1960s, and believe that, a mere 58 years later, all vestiges of harm that was done by those many years of abuse has been erased. We don't need to wallow in guilt. We don't need to take on sins of our fathers. We do need to accept that the consequences of centuries of racism linger, and find ways to equal the playing field for all. That means finding non-racist ways to deal with the legacies of racism. Minorities top the poverty lists. Find a way to deal with poverty, and we not only help deal with the history of racism, we also help ALL people who are poor (white, black, or pink) to emerge from poverty. Minorities top the list of those requiring healthcare. Find a way to deal with sickness and healthcare, and we not only deal with the history of racism, and we also help ALL people who are ill and in need (white, black, or pink) to emerge get the care they need.

                              IMO...
                              The left jumps too quickly to accusations of racism...
                              The right too quickly jumps to deny its existence and effects...
                              Last edited by carpedm9587; 05-26-2018, 02:12 PM.
                              The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                              I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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