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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostTrump's letter makes for VERY interesting reading. It was carefully crafted to shame Kim and leave him with no room to save face.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostI do not plan to go into a lot of detail unless someone is interested, but there is a problem with the geology of North Korea that it is not suitable for nuclear testing. What is required is stable large Granitic formations that form the core of major large mountain ranges. The whole region is highly prown to natural earthquakes. Their present test site was used for progressively higher yield nuclear tests. The evidence indicates that the recent test was a hydrogen bomb of sufficient yield that it caused the unstable collapse of part of the mountain and may have made the mountain unstable for further tests. This likely ended the testing for that mountain, and the rest of North Korea mountains are unsuitable for high yield tests. The highly publisized blowing up the the tunnels and closing the test site is a ruse as far as any real change in North Korea nuclear policy.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostTrump's letter makes for VERY interesting reading. It was carefully crafted to shame Kim and leave him with no room to save face.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostTrump's letter makes for VERY interesting reading. It was carefully crafted to shame Kim and leave him with no room to save face.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostAnd it could easily be Trump just exercising his "walking away power" - I do that every time I buy a new car.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostKim's agenda is the Oriental divide and disrupt playing South Korea, China, and the USA against each other. He is not seriously concerned about Donald Trump nor what he does, and I believe he considers Trump a paper tiger, small t. He made moves only to appear sincere, such as release prisoners, phony destruction of the test facility, opening direct talks with South Korea, and working to improve relations with China.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostKim is a psycho - that you think you understand him is comical. And the families of the prisoners don't give a flying flip about what Kim's motives were. They're home.
What I described is simply a common Oriental strategy in history based simply on Kim's actual actions over recent month's.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostAn absolutely genius approach to a shame-based society...Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostOne thing I can assure is Kim is not concerned with loosing face with foreigners. His concern and motive is his own power and security. He has functioning missiles and H-bombs. He does not need to test any more.
What I described is simply a common Oriental strategy in history based simply on Kim's actual actions over recent month's.
He plays the game of go in international politics with skill: divide and confuse.Last edited by shunyadragon; 05-24-2018, 09:18 PM.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostWhile I have doubts over whether this will amount to anything I don't recall the North Koreans dismantling their test site under any of the other presidents. Or their leader willing to leave the country to meet any of the other presidents.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostFunny how you get it without really getting it.Last edited by carpedm9587; 05-25-2018, 07:03 AM.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostIf the goal is to denuclearize the peninsula, an effect diplomat will find a way to give the leader of a shame-based society a way to achieve that without losing face within his own people. Trump and Pompeo have nowhere near that finesse. Frankly, no president/SoS has had that finesse yet. Perhaps the next one will.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostYeah, I think that's what all the butt-kissing was in the letter Trump wrote.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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