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“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostThis is not a debate re your good farmer steward vs the evil Al Gore.
The good or bad "stewardship” of individuals has little effect upon the levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere that the vast majority of climate scientists agree is due to human activities at the industrial level.
These activities need to be modified or curtailed. National and International action is urgently required, but instead we get a president who is reopening the coal mines, withdrawing from the Paris Agreement and dismantling the Environment Protection Agency. And the likes of you support him. Shame on you, do you not care about our children?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Here is your original nutty claim, from which you appear to be backpeddling without admitting you were wrong...
Originally posted by Tassman View PostOne cannot be a good steward of the planet if one ignores the warnings of ninety-seven percent of climate scientists, who agree that climate-change trends over the past century are very likely due to human activities. Especially when the USA has a president who has signed an order at the EPA to dismantle environmental protections.
Originally posted by Tassman View PostThis is not a debate re your good farmer steward vs the evil Al Gore. The good or bad "stewardship” of individuals has little effect upon the levels of carbon dioxide in the atmosphere
that the vast majority of climate scientists agree is due to human activities at the industrial level. These activities need to be modified or curtailed. National and International action is urgently required, but instead we get a president who is reopening the coal mines, withdrawing from the Paris Agreement and dismantling the Environment Protection Agency. And the likes of you support him.
Shame on you, do you not care about our children?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThose are simply examples that blow your nutty opinion out of the water.
So, let's all just pollute all over the place!!!
This has nothing to do with your goofy claim I'm opposing --- Is this smoke screen an indication that you're FINALLY backing down from that nuttery, and just don't have the personal integrity to admit you misspoke?
"The billionaire who spends a lot of time complaining about global warming” may be setting a poor example and the family that recycles and composts (including mine) sets a good example. But the real damage is being done on a massively larger scale. This is what the vast majority of scientists are warning about. And this is what Trump is deliberately ignoring in his dismantling of the EPA under the odious Scott Pruitt, and his unilateral withdrawal from the Paris Agreement.
Please explain the “goofiness” and “nuttery” of this statement.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Doug Shaver View PostIs that the test of caring now? Whether we agree with you about climate change?
https://climate.nasa.gov/evidence/
Even in the unlikely event they are wrong it behooves us to take their warning seriously if we care about the future of our children.Last edited by Tassman; 05-23-2018, 11:56 PM.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostMy initial response to Kings Gambit, which you queried, was:
"The billionaire who spends a lot of time complaining about global warming” may be setting a poor example and the family that recycles and composts (including mine) sets a good example. But the real damage is being done on a massively larger scale. This is what the vast majority of scientists are warning about. And this is what Trump is deliberately ignoring in his dismantling of the EPA under the odious Scott Pruitt, and his unilateral withdrawal from the Paris Agreement.
Please explain the “goofiness” and “nuttery” of this statement.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostThat’s not what I said nor implied.
3, 2, 1.....
The “test of caring” is whether or not we take seriously what the ninety-seven percent of climate scientists, who consider that climate-change is likely due to human activities, are saying.
I can (and do) care very deeply for my children (and children in general) and that does NOT require me to even KNOW about climate science, let alone subscribe to that theory and become a preacher of its religion!The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Doug ShaverIs that the test of caring now?
Originally posted by Tassman View PostThat’s not what I said nor implied.
Originally posted by Tassman View PostEven in the unlikely event they are wrong it behooves us to take their warning seriously if we care about the future of our children.
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Isn't the general consensus of climate scientists that we're screwed no matter what we do anyway?"I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostIsn't the general consensus of climate scientists that we're screwed no matter what we do anyway?
It's sort of like the Casey Jones train wreck. His train was going to hit the other one no matter what he did, but because he did something rather than nothing, nobody else died.
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Originally posted by Doug Shaver View PostYour argument was, in effect, "If you cared, you would believe."
Whether the threat is real is one issue. What we should do about it if it is real is a different issue.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostThat may be the way you read it, but the argument was that "if you cared" you would not dismiss the professional opinion of the majority of climate scientists as coming from “the pulpit of the Church of Climatology” and “Global Warming hype”, as per CP.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostThat may be the way you read it, but the argument was that "if you cared" you would not dismiss the professional opinion of the majority of climate scientists as coming from “the pulpit of the Church of Climatology” and “Global Warming hype”, as per CP.
Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThen you step into the pulpit of the Church of Climatology, and preach your same old sermon for the umpteeth zillion time...The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
And, there's yet ANOTHER goofy and nutty statement! Tass, you're EXCELLING at goofiness and nuttery!
I can (and do) care very deeply for my children (and children in general) and that does NOT require me to even KNOW about climate science, let alone subscribe to that theory and become a preacher of its religion!Last edited by Tassman; 05-24-2018, 11:00 PM.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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