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  • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
    Don't confuse crime rates with number of overall crimes committed.
    I'm not.

    The chart in your first link helpfully has "criminal conviction rates" on the y-axis just to make it extra-clear:



    Also, actual study is here which is pretty clear.
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    • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
      I'm not.

      The chart in your first link helpfully has "criminal conviction rates" on the y-axis just to make it extra-clear:



      Also, actual study is here which is pretty clear.
      Again, I think that's pretty much useless, as we really can't know - those are only CONVICTION rates, not including persons who didn't get caught and successfully prosecuted.
      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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      • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
        Again, I think that's pretty much useless, as we really can't know - those are only CONVICTION rates, not including persons who didn't get caught and successfully prosecuted.
        Well with severe crimes like homicide that have a high clear-up rate, the data is probably fairly good.
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        "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
        "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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        • I'm always still in trouble again

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          • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
            I'm not.

            The chart in your first link helpfully has "criminal conviction rates" on the y-axis just to make it extra-clear:



            Also, actual study is here which is pretty clear.
            Want to bet there are a whole lot more "Natives" than there are "illegal immigrants"? That means they would almost certainly commit more total crimes but percentage-wise are they more likely to do so?

            I'm always still in trouble again

            "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
            "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
            "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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            • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
              Want to bet there are a whole lot more "Natives" than there are "illegal immigrants"? That means they would almost certainly commit more total crimes but percentage-wise are they more likely to do so?
              The graph shows the end product of factoring all that in. It's a 'percentage-wise' graph as you put it.

              Natives commit more total crimes per native than immigrants commit per immigrant (more than 3x as many according to that graph of arrest data).
              i.e. A US native is more prone to crime than an immigrant is, on average.
              "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
              "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
              "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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              • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
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                I'm amused at how heavily geared up and armed that Hamas 'peaceful protester' is. I take it you didn't watch much video footage of the Israeli massacre of the Gaza protesters?

                There were a group of guys in a line bowed down in prayer, as Muslims tend to do regularly, and the Israeli sniper shot one of them. In another instance a man was simply walking inoffensively across a large stretch of empty ground, doing nothing in particular with no one else in sight, and the Israeli sniper shot him.

                None of them were kitted out in anything remotely militaristic. The most militaristic it ever got among the 30,000 peaceful protesters, was that about half a dozen people had made some makeshift slings and symbolically threw some rocks at the fence hundreds of yards away. I imagine they'd love to be able to get their hands on the sort of sweet gear depicted in that cartoon. The Israeli snipers on the other hand who were randomly killing people from half a mile away? I bet they had sweet gear.
                "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                  CMD, you're comparing an injury to one (deserving of critique) person, with promoting the habit of tarring whole (potentially deserving of critique) groups as sub-human.
                  How is Group MS13 not equivalent to Group Nazi in your mind? You advocated violence against people in the Group Nazi, yet whine about name calling of Group MS13?

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                  • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                    It is also amusing to see how many 'Christians' here come rushing to the defense of neo-nazis while getting enthusiastic at the thought of slandering and critiquing Latino groups. It's quite telling who they see as their people. Not surprising they voted for Trump of "They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people." fame.
                    We are against violence of any group except in self-defense. You can call Neo-Nazi's animals if you wish, we don't mind.

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                    • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                      As I have mentioned already in this thread, Trump's comment in context was waffle about unspecified baddies. Some people in this thread have brought up MS-13. Posters in this forum tend to get quite enthusiastic when speaking against illegal (latino) immigrants, or (latino) immigrants in general. Trump's election comments, of course, were famous broad brush strokes against latino immigrants. In the US, Muslims and African Americans also tend to be common targets of dehumanizing language in the public sphere. I think it's deplorable (ironic Hillary reference intended).
                      I am against any criminal street gangs. No matter if they are latino, black, asian or white. They are all bad. MS13 is probably worse than most.

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                      • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                        I'm amused at how heavily geared up and armed that Hamas 'peaceful protester' is. I take it you didn't watch much video footage of the Israeli massacre of the Gaza protesters?
                        Ah, so you're one of those drinking THAT koolaid!
                        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                        • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                          Where did you make up that claim from? When I google that, all the top hits are analyses that find that illegal immigrants commit less violent crime. That's hardly surprising because they know they have to stay below the police radar in order to stay in the country, so they have to be on their best behavior.
                          That's your problem. Everything you "know" about the topic and the USA seems to be from googling statistics.

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                          • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                            That's your problem. Everything you "know" about the topic and the USA seems to be from googling statistics you like.
                            fify
                            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                            • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                              Well with severe crimes like homicide that have a high clear-up rate, the data is probably fairly good.
                              The point is Star, we have enough of our own crime to deal with without importing more.
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                              • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                                That's obviously because they're nothing but a bunch of right-wing racists.



                                Let's face it, if MS-13 was composed of white conservative Southerners instead of illegal Central Americans, liberals like starlight would be screaming for the Marines to be sent in to wipe them out and would definitely be describing them in far worse terms than "animal."
                                Yeah. Not sure if Starlight even realizes that MS-13 was started in Los Angeles but most members are El Salvadoran, not Mexican.

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