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  • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
    Quite a lot of posters have expressed a desire to lower the number of legal immigrants,
    I don't believe you. Who would these "quite a lot of posters" be?

    and I recall someone suggesting it might be worth temporarily reducing legal immigration to zero them to allow for assimilation of current immigrants before getting more.
    Star, is YOUR country wide open to anybody to immigrate for any reason whatsoever?

    https://www.newzealandnow.govt.nz/mo...w-zealand-visa

    Our immigration policies have been developed to support New Zealand’s economic growth. If you’re looking to make New Zealand your home and have skills, experience or capital that are in short supply locally, we’d love to hear from you. Moving here could be the life change you’ve always dreamed of.

    There is a range of New Zealand visas, some of which you may be eligible for. Choosing the best option for your circumstances will likely depend on how long you want to stay, if there is a shortage of your skills in New Zealand and if you are coming with a partner or family.
    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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    • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
      Star, is YOUR country wide open to anybody to immigrate for any reason whatsoever?
      https://www.immigration.govt.nz/abou...land-operation

      Tuesday, 27 February 2018

      A total of 54 people have been deported from New Zealand as part of an Immigration New Zealand (INZ) operation across Auckland to tackle illegal workers, identity fraud and people smuggling in the construction industry.

      So far, Operation Spectrum - which was underway for six months - has resulted in 54 Malaysian nationals being deported. In addition, a further 36 chose to self-deport in order to avoid apprehension and detection. A total of 85 people were refused entry to New Zealand or denied boarding.

      A further person was arrested at his home today on a charge related to identity fraud. He has been bailed to appear in the Auckland District Court this Friday.

      Over the course of the operation, INZ discovered that Malaysian workers were being recruited via social media to work in the construction sector in New Zealand. Once in New Zealand workers were paid in cash, paid no tax, and many would remain here unlawfully after their visa had expired - or would use the services of a particular Licensed Immigration Advisor (LIA) to renew their visas. After having his license revoked by the Immigration Advisors Authority, the LIA is due to appear in court in March this year on charges of providing false information to INZ.

      Fifteen of those who were deported or left New Zealand voluntarily for being overstayers changed their identities in Malaysia and returned back to New Zealand. One of those men, Adam Abdullah, was sentenced to 10 months home detention on the 19 February this year for the immigration fraud.

      NZ Area Manager Alistair Murray says that the arrests and prosecutions are a result of a joint investigation involving agencies such as the Royal Malaysian Police, Inland Revenue, New Zealand Police and the Australian Border Force.
      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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      • Starlight is not lying. Here is one example I found immediately without even bothering looking further: http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...ht=immigration
        "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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        • Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
          Starlight is not lying. Here is one example I found immediately without even bothering looking further: http://www.theologyweb.com/campus/sh...ht=immigration
          That hardly addresses the "quite a lot of posters" comment, which was the only part I was disputing.
          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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          • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
            . . . onto brutally honest people such as myself.
            Snort.
            Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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            • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
              Star, is YOUR country wide open to anybody to immigrate for any reason whatsoever?
              Nope, and I never claimed to be an advocate of fully open borders.

              We have a points based immigration system, which to the extent that I know about it, I generally support. (On the whole, it seems to be much better than the US's crazy system) Since international surveys indicate that we would be one of the most popular destinations in the world for wannabe immigrants relative to the size of our current population (much more so than the US), it seems obvious we have to turn away the vast majority of wannabe immigrants lest we be absolutely swamped by people.

              Nonetheless, our immigration rate over the last decade or so has been almost the highest in the Western world per head of existing population (much more so than the US), which has put massive pressure on the housing market, all but outstripping the rate at which new homes can be built to house people.

              Illegal immigration is not on the whole perceived to be a major problem here. The ocean distances to other land masses mean that there are zero incoming illegal boat immigrants, and while occasionally I see an article mentioning a few people flying here on legitimate visas and then overstaying, that doesn't seem to occur at a massive rate like in the US where it accounts for the majority of your illegal immigration.
              "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
              "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
              "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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              • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                I take it math is not your strong suit. If you have a populace committing lots of crimes per person, and you import people who don't commit many crimes per person, then you have lowered the average number of crimes per person committed.
                Again, if you have 10 murders committed by the legal population and 5 committed by the illegal population then you have five added murders that should not have happened since that group should not have been here in the first place.
                Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                  Nope, and I never claimed to be an advocate of fully open borders.

                  We have a points based immigration system, which to the extent that I know about it, I generally support. (On the whole, it seems to be much better than the US's crazy system) Since international surveys indicate that we would be one of the most popular destinations in the world for wannabe immigrants relative to the size of our current population (much more so than the US), it seems obvious we have to turn away the vast majority of wannabe immigrants lest we be absolutely swamped by people.
                  Yet you're a cheerleader for sending criminals to our country. How bout minding your own business?
                  The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                  • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                    To reach that you'll need one of these:


                    [ATTACH=CONFIG]27937[/ATTACH]
                    Not enough to do the job. Perhaps a backhoe would be more appropriate.

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                    • Originally posted by Dimbulb View Post
                      Quite a lot of posters have expressed a desire to lower the number of legal immigrants, and I recall someone suggesting it might be worth temporarily reducing legal immigration to zero them to allow for assimilation of current immigrants before getting more.
                      I'm guessing that even you recognize there's a significant difference between being opposed to all immigration, and wanting to temporarily reduce or even halt legal immigration to give the system a chance to catch up with the ones who are already here.
                      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                      Than a fool in the eyes of God


                      From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                      • Originally posted by Starlight View Post

                        Yes. Critiquing people, calling them names, or whatever is fine. Calling them subhuman is what's highly problematic.
                        "basket of deplorables" isn't "dehumanizing?"



                        Star, at this point it is obvious you are just trolling for reactions. Even you are not that hypocritical. Nice try.

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                        • Ya KNEW it would happen - Trump just took a huge swat at the idiots who criticized him for calling the rapist/murderers/anarchists "animals" at his summit on same.

                          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                          • Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                            I'm guessing that even you recognize there's a significant difference between being opposed to all immigration, and wanting to temporarily reduce or even halt legal immigration to give the system a chance to catch up with the ones who are already here.

                            The immigration problems will never be solved until the borders are effectively closed.
                            Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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                            • Originally posted by Jedidiah View Post
                              The immigration problems will never be solved until the borders are effectively closed.
                              Or until the USA is worse off than Mexico. Then the flow will be the other way. I think that is the ultimate liberal strategy.

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                              • Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                                Or until the USA is worse off than Mexico. Then the flow will be the other way. I think that is the ultimate liberal strategy.
                                Snort.
                                Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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