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  • #76
    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    Didn't a lot of those who backed off do so because they realized they'd made similar remarks about others? Didn't you post a bunch of examples of that?
    That's likely one reason.

    I should note that a few are still holding out. The last I heard the Washington Post is still standing by their original comments and story proclaiming its "accurate." And a couple of the panelists on the Sunday news/talking heads programs (such as CBS’s Face the Nation and CNN’s Reliable Sources) were still trying to rationalize the attacks using arguments similar to what Tass brought forth (occassionally while also admitting that Trump was specifically referring to MS-13!).

    There was also a lot of hand wringing over "dehumanizing" savage killers.

    I'm serious when I say that I won't be surprised if the Democrats become the party of bloodthirsty criminal street gangs in the near future as they rush forth to shield these poor innocent babies from that mean old Mr. Trump's hurtful words.

    I'm always still in trouble again

    "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
    "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
    "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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    • #77
      Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
      I'm serious when I say that I won't be surprised if the Democrats become the party of bloodthirsty criminal street gangs in the near future as they rush forth to shield these poor innocent babies from that mean old Mr. Trump's hurtful words.
      They could become the poll watchers!

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      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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      • #78
        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
        They could become the poll watchers!

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        It is still mind boggling that Obama's DoJ green-lighted baton-wielding Black Panthers standing at the door way of places where people vote. No different than allowing KKK members carrying axe handles to act as "monitors"

        I'm always still in trouble again

        "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
        "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
        "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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        • #79
          Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
          The last I heard the Washington Post is still standing by their original comments and story proclaiming its "accurate."
          Sure, saying that Trump described some illegal immigrants as "animals" is accurate but misleading. It's a classic example of the liberal media using the truth to deceive.
          Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
          But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
          Than a fool in the eyes of God


          From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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          • #80
            Originally posted by Starlight View Post
            I've said it before and will say it again:
            From an outsiders perspective one of the biggest cultural problems among evangelicals in America seems to be the lack of value placed on human lives, and the extent to which they will shrug at the mistreatment of people.

            This manifests itself in a wide range of things:
            - Torture? No biggie for them.
            - Police gunning unarmed people down in the streets? Shrug, the criminals had it coming, in their minds.
            - Wars? The Muslims need to be bombed back to the stone age, and if it kills civilians, so what?
            - Death penalty? Criminals don't deserve to live.
            - Mass shootings? Just the price of 'Freedom'.
            - Inhumane treatment of prisoners in prisons? They're criminals, who cares.
            - Lack of healthcare for the poor? They're poor, they don't really matter.
            - Inhumane treatment of immigrants and ICE behaving like a terrorist organisation? Illegals are all criminals anyway.
            etc.

            The consistent lack of love and concern for fellow humans and lack of interest in right-treatment of them (aka 'human rights') is constantly stunning. And dehumanizing language is regularly used to justify it all. Any anytime such topics are discussed the response is "BuT AbOrTiOn!!!"
            Right. MS13 just needs a hug.


            I don't doubt for an instant that they need Jesus, and that Jesus can save anyone, even a member of MS13. But until that happens those that remain in the gang are indeed monsters and evil incarnate and calling evil "evil" is something we are called to do.

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            • #81
              Originally posted by Sparko View Post
              Right. MS13 just needs a hug.


              I don't doubt for an instant that they need Jesus, and that Jesus can save anyone, even a member of MS13. But until that happens those that remain in the gang are indeed monsters and evil incarnate and calling evil "evil" is something we are called to do.
              B-but it "dehumanizes" them.

              Apparently, some on the left have had a problem with this for awhile. For instance, Chris Matthews, host of MSNBC's Hardball, went off on a tirade over Chris Christie calling ISIS "animals" back in 2015

              And also, animals! I mean, call them what they are, bad people. But what’s this animal thing that Christie’s throwing around?



              He went on to claim that this now somehow means that "Republicans now say it’s OK to hate Muslims"

              Interestingly, just a couple weeks earlier Senator Diane Feinstein (D-Calif.) and vice chairman of the Intelligence Committee, while calling for increased military action against ISIS also referred to them as "monsters."

              This is a war that affects us all, and it's time we take real action to confront these monsters who target innocent civilians


              There was no rebuke from Matthews or anyone else from the left. I guess what matters is if you have an "R" or a "D" after your name.

              I'm always still in trouble again

              "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
              "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
              "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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              • #82
                Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                B-but it "dehumanizes" them.
                Wasn't Starlight the one who said it was good to punch Nazi's?

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                • #83
                  Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                  Wasn't Starlight the one who said it was good to punch Nazi's?
                  Neo-Nazi, but it's OK, as long as it "does no lasting damage".

                  Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                  It was one punch that did no lasting damage, get over it. It wasn't a big event and doesn't require you to post ten times about how bad it was and how bad I am for finding it funny.
                  And, actually, he was punched twice, not that the truth matters to Star.
                  The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                  • #84
                    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                    Neo-Nazi, but it's OK, as long as it "does no lasting damage".


                    Originally posted by Starlight
                    It was one punch that did no lasting damage, get over it. It wasn't a big event and doesn't require you to post ten times about how bad it was and how bad I am for finding it funny.
                    And, actually, he was punched twice, not that the truth matters to Star.
                    Which makes his comments in this thread that much more ironic:

                    Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                    I've said it before and will say it again:
                    From an outsiders perspective one of the biggest cultural problems among evangelicals in America seems to be the lack of value placed on human lives, and the extent to which they will shrug at the mistreatment of people...
                    The consistent lack of love and concern for fellow humans and lack of interest in right-treatment of them (aka 'human rights') is constantly stunning.

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                    • #85
                      Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                      Which makes his comments in this thread that much more ironic:
                      JimL is on vacation, Starlight has to put in double duty.
                      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                      • #86
                        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                        Neo-Nazi, but it's OK, as long as it "does no lasting damage".



                        And, actually, he was punched twice, not that the truth matters to Star.
                        Not just that, but he even said that if the guy had been stabbed and killed, he would "probably be mildly happy that the world was now a slightly better place and then get on with my life."

                        Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                        Would you have been dancing in glee had the 'White Supremacist' been stabbed with a knife?
                        I would probably be mildly happy that the world was now a slightly better place and then get on with my life. But someone getting killed is not the same kind of thing as someone getting hit in the face with a cream pie, or a wet fish (or hilariously in the case of one NZ politician, a sex toy). A punch in the face is deserved comeuppance and funny, getting stabbed to death isn't funny but all things considered he would deserve it so I'd have no sadness over it.
                        So calling horribly violent gang members "animals" =

                        Punching neo-Nazi's in the face or even stabbing them to death =

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                        • #87
                          I don't know if anybody read my post earlier, but let me reiterate my point: If it's inherently wrong to call people animals, then Jesus was in the wrong.
                          "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                          • #88
                            CMD, you're comparing an injury to one (deserving of critique) person, with promoting the habit of tarring whole (potentially deserving of critique) groups as sub-human.

                            1. Obviously injury of a single deserving person is deserved. And while extra-judicial justice is potentially a problem (and currently is with regard to US police actions in shooting first, then second... then 40th), extrajudicial justice against neo-nazis has never been a serious issue in the US either in the past or present, even when the KKK were rampant.

                            2. However, America currently has a huge issue with mistreatment of groups judged to be sub-human or undeserving of basic human rights. And dehumanizing language plays into that immensely, especially when done by those in positions of power. Once people are labeled as sub-human, that is then used to 'justify' the mistreatments of them that follow. In the US that spans the range from illegal police profiling and crack-downs to actual torture programs that murder innocent people through torture.

                            The US has a big big problem with the second issue, and it does not have a problem with the first issue. So the one is much worse than the other both in current context and in number of people affected.

                            It is also amusing to see how many 'Christians' here come rushing to the defense of neo-nazis while getting enthusiastic at the thought of slandering and critiquing Latino groups. It's quite telling who they see as their people. Not surprising they voted for Trump of "They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people." fame.
                            "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                            "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                            "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                            • #89
                              Originally posted by Starlight View Post

                              It is also amusing to see how many 'Christians' here come rushing to the defense of neo-nazis while getting enthusiastic at the thought of slandering and critiquing Latino groups. It's quite telling who they see as their people. Not surprising they voted for Trump of "They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people." fame.
                              By "Latino groups", do you specifically mean MS-13?

                              I am aware of the aforementioned Trump comment, which I consider racist. I didn't vote for him so I don't consider myself included in there
                              "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                              • #90
                                Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                                I am aware of the aforementioned Trump comment, which I consider racist.
                                It wasn't racist. It was commentary grounded in the fact that those in the country illegally are considerably more likely to commit violent crimes.
                                Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                                But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                                Than a fool in the eyes of God


                                From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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