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"I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostIt wasn't racist. It was commentary grounded in the fact that those in the country illegally are considerably more likely to commit violent crimes."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostIt was commentary grounded in the fact that those in the country illegally are considerably more likely to commit violent crimes."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostAs I have mentioned already in this thread, Trump's comment in context was waffle about unspecified baddies. Some people in this thread have brought up MS-13."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post"Some are, I assume" pretty much minimizes the existence of any who aren't, and implies they might not exist. It's definitely racist.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostNot really. Crime stats are on Trump's side on this one."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostConsidering he made the comment in direct response to a concern raised about MS-13, the context seems pretty clear to me, and claiming that it's just "some people here" claiming it it is disengenous.
But I guess maybe this is just one of those ink blot things where different people see it differently."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostWell the people here who are wrong in their interpretation are just repeating what they've heard from the right-wing fake-news-o-sphere. The more mainstream media doesn't seem to be buying that creative reinterpretation.
But I guess maybe this is just one of those ink blot things where different people see it differently."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostWell the people here who are wrong in their interpretation are just repeating what they've heard from the right-wing fake-news-o-sphere.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Starlight View Post. . . Posters in this forum tend to get quite enthusiastic when speaking against illegal (latino) immigrants, or (latino) immigrants in general. . . . .Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?
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Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostUnless you have some examples of posters here speaking out against legal immigrants, I will take this as an example of your dishonesty.
Your post is such a joke I have to think you're a completely dishonest person, especially given you project your dishonesty onto brutally honest people such as myself."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostLast I looked it was a fairly common position among US conservatives to want less immigrants in general and, as Trump put it, to wish for more Norwegian ones, and less other kinds of ones, and in general have a view of Mexican immigrants along the lines of, as Trump put it, "they're not sending their best". Are you saying this has changed? Or that no poster here ever advocated for that or anything close to it?"I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostCMD, you're comparing an injury to one (deserving of critique) person, with promoting the habit of tarring whole (potentially deserving of critique) groups as sub-human.
1. Obviously injury of a single deserving person is deserved. And while extra-judicial justice is potentially a problem (and currently is with regard to US police actions in shooting first, then second... then 40th), extrajudicial justice against neo-nazis has never been a serious issue in the US either in the past or present, even when the KKK were rampant.
2. However, America currently has a huge issue with mistreatment of groups judged to be sub-human or undeserving of basic human rights. And dehumanizing language plays into that immensely, especially when done by those in positions of power. Once people are labeled as sub-human, that is then used to 'justify' the mistreatments of them that follow. In the US that spans the range from illegal police profiling and crack-downs to actual torture programs that murder innocent people through torture.
The US has a big big problem with the second issue, and it does not have a problem with the first issue. So the one is much worse than the other both in current context and in number of people affected.
It is also amusing to see how many 'Christians' here come rushing to the defense of neo-nazis while getting enthusiastic at the thought of slandering and critiquing Latino groups. It's quite telling who they see as their people. Not surprising they voted for Trump of "They're bringing drugs. They're bringing crime. They're rapists. And some, I assume, are good people." fame."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostLast I looked it was a fairly common position among US conservatives to want less immigrants in general and, as Trump put it, to wish for more Norwegian ones, and less other kinds of ones
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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