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  • #31
    Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
    Interesting. Thanks for the feedback.

    I definitely would wear the devil down. My wife will attest to that.😁
    But, let's be clear.... when I said...

    Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
    And, you coulda written your comment as....

    And the real sadness comes from the fact that the people in these camps don’t even see ourselves as part of the problem.
    The "ourselves" meant ME, too!
    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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    • #32
      Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post


      And the real sadness comes from the fact that the people in those camps don’t even see themselves as part of the problem.
      I think, rather, they don't care if they're the problem as long as they stay in power. The reason Trump has so many enemies on both sides of the aisle is because he has disrupted the status quo.
      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
      Than a fool in the eyes of God


      From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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      • #33
        Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
        MW, different philosophies on how the constitution is to be interpreted and applied are also part of the discussion. That’s the point. It’s not unamerican to disagree, even on this.
        I disagree. Those variations are simply ways of saying the Constitution is no longer meaningful in today's society. It needs to be changed. I consider that to be un American, or at least close to it.
        Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
          But, let's be clear.... when I said...



          The "ourselves" meant ME, too!
          When one side pushes harder you push back harder or you give in to them. I have yet to see much evidence, beyond feelings, that the Constitution of the United States of America is no longer valid. I believe it must be defended against "reinterpretation."
          Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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          • #35
            Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
            That just shows how deep the swamp is and how important it is to clean up the swamp. We have seen how dirty the FBI is.
            No. What we've seen is how dirty the political process has painted men and women who have served our country in law enforcement for most of their lives. This is one thing I lay primarily at the feet of Trump and his cronies, and his incessant hammering at the institutions of our government, and undermining those institutions is one way he has most certainly deepened the swamp.

            Originally posted by mikewhitney View Post
            We already knew the drug-running CIA was largely dirty. Heck, because of Trump even Hollywood has removed some of its swamp monsters. It is a messy job and won't look like anything is getting clean until a bunch of the work is done. But keep praying for good results.
            I think I'm not even going to bother answering further. First, I don't pray. And second, I do not share this negative view of our public institutions.
            The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

            I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
              I think, rather, they don't care if they're the problem as long as they stay in power. The reason Trump has so many enemies on both sides of the aisle is because he has disrupted the status quo.
              I think the reason Trump has so many enemies on both sides of the aisle is because he's a pig.
              The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

              I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Jedidiah View Post
                I disagree. Those variations are simply ways of saying the Constitution is no longer meaningful in today's society. It needs to be changed. I consider that to be un American, or at least close to it.
                I think the constitution is a more flexible document than it is allowed to be. And if that makes me unamerican...I guess I'll live with that. It's unfortunate that you would paint others who just happen to think differently than you in those terms. It is, after all, our country too.
                The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                  I think the constitution is a more flexible document than it is allowed to be. And if that makes me unamerican...I guess I'll live with that. It's unfortunate that you would paint others who just happen to think differently than you in those terms. It is, after all, our country too.
                  It is already far more flexibly interpreted than it should be. If you want to eliminate any of the protections if provides you are, in my view un-American.
                  Micah 6:8 He has told you, O man, what is good; and what does the LORD require of you but to do justice, and to love kindness, and to walk humbly with your God?

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                    No. What we've seen is how dirty the political process has painted men and women who have served our country in law enforcement for most of their lives. This is one thing I lay primarily at the feet of Trump and his cronies, and his incessant hammering at the institutions of our government, and undermining those institutions is one way he has most certainly deepened the swamp.



                    I think I'm not even going to bother answering further. First, I don't pray. And second, I do not share this negative view of our public institutions.
                    No comment.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                      I think the constitution is a more flexible document than it is allowed to be. And if that makes me unamerican...I guess I'll live with that. It's unfortunate that you would paint others who just happen to think differently than you in those terms. It is, after all, our country too.
                      The Constitution is a legal document. It is to be interpreted in light of the founding fathers -- the verbiage of the Constitution and the discussions in making the Constitution. The language of the day must be utilized as well as the English common law of that era. The philosophers, such as Locke, also play a critical role in understanding the Constitution. As long as we rely on the proper context, debate is reasonable. This Constitution is a contract or treaty among the sovereign states of America who only yielded certain powers to the US Government.
                      If you understand this framework, you are at the starting point for contributing to the advancement of America.

                      There are too many groups who seek to simply bypass the law in order to recreate America into servile community. Many people are blindly giving up God-given rights (i.e., the philosophical understanding of our source of rights) while they are ignorant of the sort of changes they are 'demanding.' I liken this to protesters on the streets demanding "take away right and freedom to speak."

                      We had protesters who called our president fascist. The group that normally and predominantly known for protests against fascism are the Communists, where such philosophy has led to the death of millions upon millions of people. Ironically the protest was against the socialist party which I understand to be another flavor of communism. The main point is that these protesters were either ignorant of the communist influence or are seeking to destabalize America on false grounds.

                      Hopefully you come to understand the threats on our freedom.

                      oh right. You had asked for some recommendations on readings about the US Constitution.
                      I had read "The Making of America: The Substance and Meaning of the Constitution" by Cleon Skousen
                      But I had meant to see if there were alternative studies on the Constitution for you to look at. I've never gone into scholarly detail on the Constitution.
                      Last edited by mikewhitney; 05-20-2018, 12:02 AM.

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                        I think the reason Trump has so many enemies on both sides of the aisle is because he's a pig.
                        In many ways there is a lot of truth to that. When you listen to many of those opposed to him, especially the Never Trumpers, their biggest problem with him is how he comes across. He's not polished but rather crude, rude and anything but P.C. So they'll oppose him even though he's accomplishing many of the things they've wanted done.

                        I'm always still in trouble again

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Jedidiah View Post
                          I disagree. Those variations are simply ways of saying the Constitution is no longer meaningful in today's society. It needs to be changed. I consider that to be un American, or at least close to it.
                          Hang on -- The fact that the Constitution itself provides for emendation shows that wanting to "change" it cannot in and of itself be "unamerican." The whole point of being able to alter it is that after some length of time, parts of it cease to fit society. By far my main complaint is with those many who try to weasel around the difficult challenge of amending via legislative, administrative, regulatory, and especially judicial means. They should be flogged and exiled.
                          Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.

                          Beige Federalist.

                          Nationalist Christian.

                          "Everybody is somebody's heretic."

                          Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.

                          Proud member of the this space left blank community.

                          Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.

                          Justice for Ashli Babbitt!

                          Justice for Matthew Perna!

                          Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                            In many ways there is a lot of truth to that. When you listen to many of those opposed to him, especially the Never Trumpers, their biggest problem with him is how he comes across. He's not polished but rather crude, rude and anything but P.C. So they'll oppose him even though he's accomplishing many of the things they've wanted done.
                            Trump "comes across" as an immoral, lying charlatan is because that's precisely what he is. What you see is what you get. Much of what he "gets done", such as the appointment of Conservative judges to implement a minority agenda...such as anti-abortion and LGBT rights...as well as gutting the Environmental Protection Agency etc reveals the deep cynicism of the Evangelical Right who, it seems, will stop at nothing to get their own way.
                            “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                              Trump "comes across" as an immoral, lying charlatan is because that's precisely what he is. What you see is what you get. Much of what he "gets done", such as the appointment of Conservative judges to implement a minority agenda...such as anti-abortion and LGBT rights...as well as gutting the Environmental Protection Agency etc reveals the deep cynicism of the Evangelical Right who, it seems, will stop at nothing to get their own way.
                              You're doing the same thing to "the Evangelical Right" as you claim Trump is doing to immigrants. Oh, thou hypocrite.
                              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                                Trump "comes across" as an immoral, lying charlatan is because that's precisely what he is. What you see is what you get. Much of what he "gets done", such as the appointment of Conservative judges to implement a minority agenda...such as anti-abortion and LGBT rights...as well as gutting the Environmental Protection Agency etc reveals the deep cynicism of the Evangelical Right who, it seems, will stop at nothing to get their own way.
                                How is it cynical to vote for a candidate that is a noisy jerk, but supports the causes we care about, rather than a candidate that is a more sneaky and subtle jerk, and supports causes we find utterly despicable?
                                Geislerminian Antinomian Kenotic Charispneumaticostal Gender Mutualist-Egalitarian.

                                Beige Federalist.

                                Nationalist Christian.

                                "Everybody is somebody's heretic."

                                Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.

                                Proud member of the this space left blank community.

                                Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.

                                Justice for Ashli Babbitt!

                                Justice for Matthew Perna!

                                Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!

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