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Originally posted by Jedidiah View PostAnd guess where we are headed today.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI think, technically, "any part" of the Constitution is NOT amendable, in the sense of that "part" being changed textually, but the document itself is. For example, the 18th amendment banned alcohol in the US, but when prohibition ended, the 18th was not "amended" - it was left in place in text, but repealed in power by the 21st amendment.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostBingo. Once you declare that man is the ultimate authority then it quickly devolves into "anything goes".
A person who sincerely believes that they are acting in accordance with the will of God is immune to evidence, diplomacy, and compromise – as the many religious wars and genocides and persecutions and witch burning and Inquisitions should make abundantly clear.
OTOH:
Human behaviour and moral values evolved to ensure the survival of the family and community and cooperation so that the human species survives. This is the basis of morality, not a hypothetical deity.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostA person who sincerely believes that they are acting in accordance with the will of God is immune to evidence, diplomacy, and compromise – as the many religious wars and genocides and persecutions and witch burning and Inquisitions should make abundantly clear.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Tassmoron View PostNonsense!
A person who sincerely believes that they are acting in accordance with the will of God is immune to evidence, diplomacy, and compromise – as the many religious wars and genocides and persecutions and witch burning and Inquisitions should make abundantly clear.
OTOH:
Human behaviour and moral values evolved to ensure the survival of the family and community and cooperation so that the human species survives. This is the basis of morality, not a hypothetical deity.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostThe reverse is true.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostYes, let's ignore the fact that atheist regimes are responsible for the greatest atrocities in human history.
Let's also ignore the fact that as far as the atheist worldview is concerned, there's nothing actually wrong with that because "mortality" is nothing more than a social convention, like rules of etiquette that say you shouldn't put your elbows on the table. An atheist who does what society has deemed "immoral" is doing nothing worse than if he were to wear a shirt that society has deened "unfashionable". And if he can get away with it then why shouldn't he?“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostYes, let's ignore the fact that atheist regimes are responsible for the greatest atrocities in human history. Let's also ignore the fact that as far as the atheist worldview is concerned, there's nothing actually wrong with that because "mortality" is nothing more than a social convention, like rules of etiquette that say you shouldn't put your elbows on the table. An atheist who does what society has deemed "immoral" is doing nothing worse than if he were to wear a shirt that society has deened "unfashionable". And if he can get away with it then why shouldn't he?
People kill - and wage war - and commit atrocities, whatever their beliefs may be. God has been the reason for many of these - but godless wars have also been common.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by Tassmoron View PostNonsense, as human beings we are social animals. Our sociality is the result of evolution and natural selection and has equipped us to be sensitive to and aware of the emotional needs of our fellows. Human behaviour and moral values evolved to ensure the survival of the family and community and cooperation so that the human species survives.Last edited by Mountain Man; 05-24-2018, 11:56 AM.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostThis doesn't actually address my argument. If were to distill this down, you're essentially saying, "An atheist ought live morally because an atheist ought to live morally."“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostNo, what I'm saying is that morals are derivatives of self-preservation and procreation in every case and are a consequence of natural selection. They are naturally built into us, because those morals were beneficial to the breeding and survival of our species as social animals.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostGoing by that criteria that makes abortion immoral, right?
The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Tassmoron View PostNo, what I'm saying is that morals are derivatives of self-preservation and procreation in every case and are a consequence of natural selection. They are naturally built into us, because those morals were beneficial to the breeding and survival of our species as social animals.
Thank you for conceding the point.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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