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  • Pope Says It OK To Be Gay?

    If this is true, I think he went too far...


    'GOD LOVES YOU' Pope Francis tells gay man ‘God made you like this and loves you like this

    The remarks were apparently made to a victim of clerical sexual abuse and are the most striking acceptance of homosexuality by the Catholic Church to date

    https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/633771...god-loves-you/

    https://www.thetimes.co.uk/article/g...d-me-8zlcwk7j3
    Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

  • #2
    The Pope, it appears, loves the praise of men more than the approval of God. (John 12:43)
    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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    • #3
      Huge amount of articles to come and explain what he "really meant" in 3, 2, 1...

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
        The Pope, it appears, loves the praise of men more than the approval of God. (John 12:43)
        Doesn't he care enough for the souls of gays to call them to repent?
        Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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          Edited: Posting in restricted area
          Last edited by KingsGambit; 05-21-2018, 07:34 PM.
          “I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
          “And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
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          • #6
            Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
            Edited
            In your opinion.
            Last edited by KingsGambit; 05-21-2018, 07:35 PM.
            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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            • #7
              OK, do we know for a fact that the Pope actually said that? All I'm seeing so far is that the gay man, Juan Carlos, says he said it.

              Rome (CNN)
              A victim of clerical sexual abuse has said that Pope Francis told him that God made him gay and that his sexuality "does not matter."
              Juan Carlos Cruz, a survivor of sexual abuse, spent three days with Pope Francis at the Vatican in April, in which he discussed his sexuality and the abuse he suffered at the hands of a Chilean priest.
              Describing his encounter with the Pope to CNN, Cruz said: "You know Juan Carlos, that does not matter. God made you like this. God loves you like this. The Pope loves you like this and you should love yourself and not worry about what people say.

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              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                OK, do we know for a fact that the Pope actually said that? All I'm seeing so far is that the gay man, Juan Carlos, says he said it.

                Rome (CNN)
                A victim of clerical sexual abuse has said that Pope Francis told him that God made him gay and that his sexuality "does not matter."
                Juan Carlos Cruz, a survivor of sexual abuse, spent three days with Pope Francis at the Vatican in April, in which he discussed his sexuality and the abuse he suffered at the hands of a Chilean priest.
                Describing his encounter with the Pope to CNN, Cruz said: "You know Juan Carlos, that does not matter. God made you like this. God loves you like this. The Pope loves you like this and you should love yourself and not worry about what people say.

                source
                Well the Vatican has not confirmed or denied at this point.
                Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by seer View Post
                  Well the Vatican has not confirmed or denied at this point.
                  Yeah, supposedly, this guy spent THREE DAYS with the Pope, and the Pope was consoling him over abuses by one of the Catholic priests, so...
                  The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                  • #10
                    Here's an interesting article from the Human Rights Campaign showing the Pope's.. um.. incompatible statements on LBQTXIJVMCD....

                    Summarizing the statements....
                    • [07/2013] "If they accept the Lord and have goodwill, who am I to judge them?"
                    • [03/2015] "Sometimes it happens that you feel disappointed, discouraged, abandoned by all: but God does not forget his children, he never abandons them! He is always at our side, especially in trying times."
                    • [06/2015] "I ask you to pray fervently for this intention," the Pope continued, "so that Christ can take even what might seem to us impure, scandalous or threatening, and turn it ... into a miracle. Families today need miracles!"
                    • [12/2014] "We have to find a way to help that father or that mother to stand by their [LGBTQ] son or daughter."
                    • [02/2015] "Let's think of the nuclear arms, of the possibility to annihilate in a few instants a very high number of human beings. Let's think also of genetic manipulation, of the manipulation of life, or of the gender theory, that does not recognize the order of creation."
                    • [01/2015] "The family is threatened by growing efforts on the part of some to redefine the very institution of marriage, by relativism, by the culture of the ephemeral, by a lack of openness to life."
                    • [02/2015] "[...] I wish to express my appreciation to the entire Slovak church, encouraging everyone to continue their efforts in defense of the family, the vital cell of society."
                    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                      OK, do we know for a fact that the Pope actually said that? All I'm seeing so far is that the gay man, Juan Carlos, says he said it.

                      Rome (CNN)
                      A victim of clerical sexual abuse has said that Pope Francis told him that God made him gay and that his sexuality "does not matter."
                      Juan Carlos Cruz, a survivor of sexual abuse, spent three days with Pope Francis at the Vatican in April, in which he discussed his sexuality and the abuse he suffered at the hands of a Chilean priest.
                      Describing his encounter with the Pope to CNN, Cruz said: "You know Juan Carlos, that does not matter. God made you like this. God loves you like this. The Pope loves you like this and you should love yourself and not worry about what people say.

                      source

                      I would think that if he says it to one, he would be extrapolating it out to all. Including those priests who engaged in abuse.

                      And he is dead wrong on every count.


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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                        Yeah, supposedly, this guy spent THREE DAYS with the Pope, and the Pope was consoling him over abuses by one of the Catholic priests, so...
                        I have no problem with the Pope being gracious, but if he did say that that was the way God created him that way and that his sexuality did not matter - that would seriously wrong.
                        Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                        https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by mossrose View Post
                          I would think that if he says it to one, he would be extrapolating it out to all. Including those priests who engaged in abuse.

                          And he is dead wrong on every count.
                          Yeah, in a weird way, it's almost like he's minimalizing the abuse -- "it's ok, God made you that way", so maybe He made the priest that way, too.

                          I'm thinking this Pope was a really bad choice, or maybe he's simply losing it.
                          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by seer View Post
                            I have no problem with the Pope being gracious, but if he did say that that was the way God created him that way and that his sexuality did not matter - that would seriously wrong.
                            Yeah, absolutely wrong - see my response to moss.
                            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by mossrose View Post
                              ...Including those priests who engaged in abuse.
                              Exactly, and one wonders if that guy (kid at the time) was not raped all those years if he would be gay today.
                              Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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