If this is true, I think he went too far...
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Pope Says It OK To Be Gay?
Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3sTags: None
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThe Pope, it appears, loves the praise of men more than the approval of God. (John 12:43)Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by firstfloor View PostEditedLast edited by KingsGambit; 05-21-2018, 07:35 PM.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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OK, do we know for a fact that the Pope actually said that? All I'm seeing so far is that the gay man, Juan Carlos, says he said it.
Rome (CNN)
A victim of clerical sexual abuse has said that Pope Francis told him that God made him gay and that his sexuality "does not matter."
Juan Carlos Cruz, a survivor of sexual abuse, spent three days with Pope Francis at the Vatican in April, in which he discussed his sexuality and the abuse he suffered at the hands of a Chilean priest.
Describing his encounter with the Pope to CNN, Cruz said: "You know Juan Carlos, that does not matter. God made you like this. God loves you like this. The Pope loves you like this and you should love yourself and not worry about what people say.
sourceThe first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostOK, do we know for a fact that the Pope actually said that? All I'm seeing so far is that the gay man, Juan Carlos, says he said it.
Rome (CNN)
A victim of clerical sexual abuse has said that Pope Francis told him that God made him gay and that his sexuality "does not matter."
Juan Carlos Cruz, a survivor of sexual abuse, spent three days with Pope Francis at the Vatican in April, in which he discussed his sexuality and the abuse he suffered at the hands of a Chilean priest.
Describing his encounter with the Pope to CNN, Cruz said: "You know Juan Carlos, that does not matter. God made you like this. God loves you like this. The Pope loves you like this and you should love yourself and not worry about what people say.
sourceAtheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostWell the Vatican has not confirmed or denied at this point.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Here's an interesting article from the Human Rights Campaign showing the Pope's.. um.. incompatible statements on LBQTXIJVMCD....
Summarizing the statements....
- [07/2013] "If they accept the Lord and have goodwill, who am I to judge them?"
- [03/2015] "Sometimes it happens that you feel disappointed, discouraged, abandoned by all: but God does not forget his children, he never abandons them! He is always at our side, especially in trying times."
- [06/2015] "I ask you to pray fervently for this intention," the Pope continued, "so that Christ can take even what might seem to us impure, scandalous or threatening, and turn it ... into a miracle. Families today need miracles!"
- [12/2014] "We have to find a way to help that father or that mother to stand by their [LGBTQ] son or daughter."
- [02/2015] "Let's think of the nuclear arms, of the possibility to annihilate in a few instants a very high number of human beings. Let's think also of genetic manipulation, of the manipulation of life, or of the gender theory, that does not recognize the order of creation."
- [01/2015] "The family is threatened by growing efforts on the part of some to redefine the very institution of marriage, by relativism, by the culture of the ephemeral, by a lack of openness to life."
- [02/2015] "[...] I wish to express my appreciation to the entire Slovak church, encouraging everyone to continue their efforts in defense of the family, the vital cell of society."
The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostOK, do we know for a fact that the Pope actually said that? All I'm seeing so far is that the gay man, Juan Carlos, says he said it.
Rome (CNN)
A victim of clerical sexual abuse has said that Pope Francis told him that God made him gay and that his sexuality "does not matter."
Juan Carlos Cruz, a survivor of sexual abuse, spent three days with Pope Francis at the Vatican in April, in which he discussed his sexuality and the abuse he suffered at the hands of a Chilean priest.
Describing his encounter with the Pope to CNN, Cruz said: "You know Juan Carlos, that does not matter. God made you like this. God loves you like this. The Pope loves you like this and you should love yourself and not worry about what people say.
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I would think that if he says it to one, he would be extrapolating it out to all. Including those priests who engaged in abuse.
And he is dead wrong on every count.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostYeah, supposedly, this guy spent THREE DAYS with the Pope, and the Pope was consoling him over abuses by one of the Catholic priests, so...Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by mossrose View PostI would think that if he says it to one, he would be extrapolating it out to all. Including those priests who engaged in abuse.
And he is dead wrong on every count.
I'm thinking this Pope was a really bad choice, or maybe he's simply losing it.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by seer View PostI have no problem with the Pope being gracious, but if he did say that that was the way God created him that way and that his sexuality did not matter - that would seriously wrong.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by mossrose View Post...Including those priests who engaged in abuse.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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