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  • It's Ok for paid employees (NFL players) to make moral/political statements on company time but it's not OK for paid employees (cake makers) to refuse to be employed to make moral/political statements.

    That's a consistent position ...
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    • Originally posted by Terraceth View Post
      Well honestly, the more I think about it, the more I feel that my mention of the form of protest completely outshadowing what was being protested was a real issue. I was reading through this topic and it wasn't until the mention of the police came up that I thought "oh right, that was what was being protested, wasn't it?" I completely forgot that's what it was even about! I doubt I'm the only one. Certainly, the news stopped asking "is police brutality a problem?" and started asking "should players always stand for the national anthem?" thereby removing the focus from the issue being protested. I wonder if it might have actually hurt the cause due to that.
      I have no idea. I know I was never confused by the purpose of the protest, but probably because people protesting using the flag/anthem doesn't cause me an ounce of heartburn.

      Originally posted by Terraceth View Post
      The Wire? It's pretty darn good good on the whole, and deserves most of the praise it gets. It's supposedly one of the most realistic depictions of police work on television, which is why I was asking for confirmation from Cow Poke about how true that was. There are some issues, though, like some parts where I thought it got overly preachy, and the last season is a notable downgrade in quality, but again on the whole it's really good. Also, it's HBO, so expect some gratuitous nudity (not all of the nudity felt gratuitous but a good chunk of it felt like it was just there for the sake of being there).
      Thanks. I'll check it out.
      The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

      I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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      • Originally posted by MaxVel View Post
        It's Ok for paid employees (NFL players) to make moral/political statements on company time but it's not OK for paid employees (cake makers) to refuse to be employed to make moral/political statements.

        That's a consistent position ...
        The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

        I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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        • I came across this historical newspaper article which seems relevant:

          Tue 9 Jan 1934

          Failed To Give Nazi Salute: German Football Club Banned For 12 Months.

          Berlin, Sunday.

          The Karlsruhe Football Club has been prohibited from playing during 1934 because the team failed to give the Nazi salute when entering the field to play against a French club from Nancy at Metz in December.
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          • Originally posted by Starlight View Post
            I came across this historical newspaper article which seems relevant:

            Tue 9 Jan 1934

            Failed To Give Nazi Salute: German Football Club Banned For 12 Months.

            Berlin, Sunday.

            The Karlsruhe Football Club has been prohibited from playing during 1934 because the team failed to give the Nazi salute when entering the field to play against a French club from Nancy at Metz in December.
            Not especially. This appears to have been a government directive banning a club for not performing a party salute.

            Government != commercial business
            Respecting the national anthem != showing support for a particular party
            Alternative of staying in locker room or paying a fine != a 12-month ban

            Also, note that President Trump and the NFL are not on the best of terms.
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            • Respecting the national anthem, showing support for the ruling party... little difference in my mind. Both are insistence on paying heed to Caesar.
              "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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              • Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                Respecting the national anthem, showing support for the ruling party... little difference in my mind. Both are insistence on paying heed to Caesar.
                Seriously?

                You know, Jesus Himself insisted we pay heed to Caesar. I don't know why you'd have a problem with that.
                Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

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                • Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                  Seriously?

                  You know, Jesus Himself insisted we pay heed to Caesar. I don't know why you'd have a problem with that.
                  Paying heed = obeying laws, paying our taxes. It doesn't mean we stand up and participate in flag worship. I find it impossible to imagine the early Christians participating in a Roman flag ceremony.
                  "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                  • Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                    Paying heed = obeying laws, paying our taxes. It doesn't mean we stand up and participate in flag worship. I find it impossible to imagine the early Christians participating in a Roman flag ceremony.
                    Me too. The Romans were the occupying force, not country that provided for them freedom of religion.
                    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                    • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                      Me too. The Romans were the occupying force, not country that provided for them freedom of religion.
                      Why would any Christian want to celebrate a nation that allows the genocide of the unborn?
                      "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                      • I guess this is just one of those where I just won't see eye to eye with the majority of the people. To me putting your hand over your heart and staring at a flag is quite obviously a worshipful action, but most Christians don't see it that way.
                        "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                        • [QUOTE=KingsGambit;546278]Paying heed = obeying laws, paying our taxes. It doesn't mean we stand up and participate in flag worship. I find it impossible to imagine the early Christians participating in a Roman flag ceremony.[/QUOT

                          Standing for the NatIonal Anthem is not flag worship. Its about respect. Respect for people who fight so you can have the right to go to work safely a peacefully.
                          A happy family is but an earlier heaven.
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                          • Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                            Why would any Christian want to celebrate a nation that allows the genocide of the unborn?
                            You miss the point of pride in your country. You can be happy with your country and recognize that some of its laws are wrong.
                            A happy family is but an earlier heaven.
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                            • Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                              I guess this is just one of those where I just won't see eye to eye with the majority of the people. To me putting your hand over your heart and staring at a flag is quite obviously a worshipful action, but most Christians don't see it that way.
                              Its not its respect for the fallen the sacrifices people make etc.
                              A happy family is but an earlier heaven.
                              George Bernard Shaw

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                              • Originally posted by Catholicity View Post
                                Standing for the NatIonal Anthem is not flag worship. Its about respect. Respect for people who fight so you can have the right to go to work safely a peacefully.
                                America seems to be one of the most patriotic countries in the world, in terms of patriotic customs and practices and beliefs of its people about the country. So there's a lot of scope for America dialing its patriotism down a tad from excessively extreme to merely strong.

                                From the point of view of people in my country a lot of the US patriotic practices do look somewhere on the spectrum between indoctrination and worship.
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                                "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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