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  • #16
    Originally posted by Sparko View Post
    That is hilarious. They have been looking for anything to implicate Trump for over a year now and your theory is that they actually HAVE evidence but have chosen NOT to reveal it?

    Have you been smoking some JimL weed?
    The only way such a scenario is possible is if they were making a political decision to delay as long as possible to get as close to the election as possible in order to adversely affect it (October Surprise). But Mueller would never do something like that, would he?

    I'm always still in trouble again

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
      Let's go through these one at a time...
      The full list of known indictments and plea deals in Mueller’s probe

      1) George Papadopoulos, former Trump campaign foreign policy adviser, pleaded guilty in October to making false statements to the FBI.

      2) Michael Flynn, Trump’s former national security adviser, pleaded guilty in December to making false statements to the FBI.
      You know what a charge of "lying to investigators" means? ...
      3) Paul Manafort, Trump’s former campaign chair, was indicted in October in Washington, DC on charges of conspiracy, money laundering, and false statements — all related to his work for Ukrainian politicians before he joined the Trump campaign. He’s pleaded not guilty on all counts. Then, in February, Mueller filed a new case against him in Virginia, with tax, financial, and bank fraud charges.

      4) Rick Gates, a former Trump campaign aide and Manafort’s longtime junior business partner, was indicted on similar charges to Manafort. But in February he agreed to a plea deal with Mueller’s team, pleading guilty to just one false statements charge and one conspiracy charge.
      They were charged for crimes that happened years before Trump was even a candidate...
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      • #18
        That's an exceptionally weak rejoinder, even for nitpicker like you.
        Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
        But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
        Than a fool in the eyes of God


        From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
          Your post would have been much shorter if you had simply said, "1-year in, and not a shred of evidence that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia."
          Would you still defend Trump if he was black?
          “I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
          “And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
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          • #20
            Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
            Let's go through these one at a time...


            You know what a charge of "lying to investigators" means? It means Mueller and his gang of crooks couldn't get them on anything else, and dirty cops like Mueller won't hesitate to lay perjury traps by asking deliberately confusing questions in order to trick a suspect into contradicting himself. Oh, I know, the liberal narrative is they were given a slap on the wrist in exchange for giving up the goods on Trump, but two problems with that hypothesis: 1) If Mueller could have gotten them for anything more serious then he would have charged them with the big crime right up front and then let them plead down to a lesser charge -- in this case, he would have charged them with criminal conspiracy, gotten his guilty plea, and then used that as his evidence to go after the bigger fish, but that's not what happened; and 2) No competent attorney would allow his star witnesses to be put on record as lying to the cops because it destroys their credibility and makes them easy pickings for the defense team.


            They were charged for crimes that happened years before Trump was even a candidate.

            Although there is one curious thing worth noting here: Manafort and Gates apparently had ties to a Russian oligarch named Oleg Deripaska.

            You know who else has ties to Deripaska?

            Robert Mueller.


            Ah, yes, the 13 Russian ham sandwiches who had no direct or even indirect ties to Trump, who trolled the internet on behalf of both Trump and Hillary, who organized anti-Trump rallies (at least one of which was famously attended by filmmaker Michael Moron), and who will never see the inside of a courtroom. In other words, these indictments are largely a meaningless symbolic gesture.


            This guy had nothing whatsoever to do with the Trump campaign. He was operating an online auction house and according to law enforcement records, he unknowingly interacted with Russian intelligence agents.


            Another process crime. See Papadopoulos and Flynn.

            So what we're looking at here is one big, fat nothing burger. We know Mueller doesn't have anything on Trump because as leaky as his investigation has been, it's a given that we would have heard about it the second anything surfaced that could have implicated our duly elected President. Anybody who thinks that Mueller is keeping everything under wraps until he has the case buttoned up tight is living in a fantasy world.

            Meanwhile, after nearly two-years of denial, Obama's Director of National Intelligence is on record finally admitting that they were, in fact, spying on the Trump campaign, although he hilariously tries to downplay it as "benign" and absurdly claims that Trump should be happy about being spied on (yes, he really said that!). We also know that their moles made multiple attempts, apparently without success, to entrap low-level members of the Trump campaign. Yes, attempts. As in more. than. one.

            Watergate is still considered a major scandal, but this all makes Watergate looks like a petty crime in comparison.
            That's a lot of prevarication to "explain" your claim of "1-year in, and not a shred of evidence that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia". There are in fact many "shreds of evidence".
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            • #21
              Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
              Would you still defend Trump if he was black?
              He would do and believe whatever Breitbart told him to, as he does now.
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              • #22
                Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
                Would you still defend Trump if he was black?
                What is it with so many on the left assuming that those on the right are racist or secret racist? Do you have any evidence of racism or are you using racism to change the topic?
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                • #23
                  How do you know Trump ISN'T black? He could be transracial.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by brain doesn't go past the firstfloor View Post
                    Would you still defend Trump if he was black?
                    Yes.
                    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                    Than a fool in the eyes of God


                    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by Tassmoron View Post
                      That's a lot of prevarication to "explain" your claim of "1-year in, and not a shred of evidence that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia". There are in fact many "shreds of evidence".
                      This is how someone responds when they can't dispute the facts, but they want to make themselves feel better.
                      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                      Than a fool in the eyes of God


                      From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                        Yes.
                        So, if Obama had done everything that Trump has done you would have been just as supportive of Obama.
                        “I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
                        “And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
                        “not all there” - you know who you are

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
                          So, if Obama had done everything that Trump has done you would have been just as supportive of Obama.
                          And didn't do many of the things he did do then a lot of folks would be talking about how he turned out to be pretty good in spite of their grave doubts.

                          I'm always still in trouble again

                          "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                          "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                          "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                            That's a lot of prevarication to "explain" your claim of "1-year in, and not a shred of evidence that the Trump campaign colluded with Russia". There are in fact many "shreds of evidence".
                            By this can we assume that your grudgingly acknowledge that the Trump-Russian collusion narrative has been ripped to shreds?

                            I'm always still in trouble again

                            "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                            "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                            "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                              By this can we assume that your grudgingly acknowledge that the Trump-Russian collusion narrative has been ripped to shreds?
                              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
                                Would you still defend Trump if he was black?
                                You mean biracial, yes?
                                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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