Al Mohler: God's judgement is upon the Southern Baptist Convention

[KingsGambit]

I'm not Southern Baptist and never could be for reasons I've gone into elsewhere, but I've been saddened by the reports that have come out in the last month.

Al Mohler has weighed in, and isn't pulling any punches:

https://albertmohler.com/2018/05/23/...st-convention/

[Cow Poke]

I have absolutely no idea what this is about.

This part, in particular, baffles me...
Each SBC Church is autonomous, and does not take marching orders from the SBC.

So, what "reports have come out in the last month?"

[KingsGambit]

I have absolutely no idea what this is about.

This part, in particular, baffles me...


Each SBC Church is autonomous, and does not take marching orders from the SBC.

So, what "reports have come out in the last month?"

Reports of Paige Patterson encouraging women not to report physical abuse (and in one case, rape) to the police but to simply forgive, as well as encouraging abused wives to rarely separate and only in the worst of circumstances.

The rape in question took place at a seminary so there was the appearance of sweeping it under the rug.

[Cow Poke]

Reports of Paige Patterson encouraging women not to report physical abuse (and in one case, rape) to the police but to simply forgive, as well as encouraging abused wives to rarely separate and only in the worst of circumstances.

The rape in question took place at a seminary so there was the appearance of sweeping it under the rug.

Ah - hadn't heard about that. Not that that's a minor issue, it's certainly not -- but is that what this is all about?

[Cow Poke]

OK, did some more digging - Patterson was removed as Seminary President, but, yeah, sounds like it's being handled in a pretty cowardly way. He didn't just get the boot, he got a nudge and a cush job. This is not good.

[KingsGambit]

Ah - hadn't heard about that. Not that that's a minor issue, it's certainly not -- but is that what this is all about?

Basically. He doubled down last month on an absolute prohibition on divorce in the case of abuse, which didn't go over very well. http://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2018/...n-to-step-down

[Cow Poke]

Basically. He doubled down last month on an absolute prohibition on divorce in the case of abuse, which didn't go over very well. http://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2018/...n-to-step-down

It sounds like he's getting blasted from all directions from within the SBC, and for good reason. I've kinda wondered the last couple times I've seen him if he's maybe getting senile. And, no, that doesn't explain any "decades old" tapes where he made dumb and unscriptural statements.

[One Bad Pig]

I hadn't seen anything of this. If you don't mind, CP, I'd like to see what you've dug up.

[Cow Poke]

I hadn't seen anything of this. If you don't mind, CP, I'd like to see what you've dug up.

Still looking, but I think this was the first one I found...

http://www1.cbn.com/cbnnews/us/2018/...n-to-step-down

[KingsGambit]

I think the SBC will rebound just fine. As CP's first post mentions, local churches are very autonomous which should insulate small local churches pretty well from any blows the denomination as a whole is taking. I hope all that results from this is a better approach to abuse issues from the pulpit (it probably doesn't come up much but I've heard of some pastors who will make side comments like "if you are being physically abused, this does not apply to you" when preaching on the submission passage in Ephesians, which seems like a good approach) and in seminary classes.

[Cow Poke]

I think the SBC will rebound just fine. As CP's first post mentions, local churches are very autonomous which should insulate small local churches pretty well from any blows the denomination as a whole is taking. I hope all that results from this is a better approach to abuse issues from the pulpit (it probably doesn't come up much but I've heard of some pastors who will make side comments like "if you are being physically abused, this does not apply to you" when preaching on the submission passage in Ephesians, which seems like a good approach) and in seminary classes.

In one of those articles, the question is raised about whether or not Patterson will deliver the keynote address at the Southern Baptist Annual meeting next month.

It will be the first annual meeting I have missed in a bunch of years, but I have too much going on at my own church (good stuff) and the annual meetings have become somewhat boring, in my opinion.

It will be interesting to see how prevalent Patterson's presence is in Dallas for the 2018 Annual Meeting.

[Cow Poke]

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Hey, that's ME in the white shirt!!!!

[Cow Poke]

Something about the way Mohler presents this troubles me, and I can't figure out why. It's like he's trying too hard to distance himself from #MeToo, or trying to hard to be sure he condemns this....

I really don't get that the whole of the SBC is under the judgment of God because of Patterson's moral failure, or even the really poor manner in which this appears to have been handled. I personally know both Mohler and Patterson. This doesn't sound like Mohler at all, but as I said earlier, the last few times (over maybe the last 10 years or so) I've really thought Patterson was "losing it".

I think maybe, because Patterson (and Judge Pressler) were instrumental in getting the SBC back on track from our liberal drift, Mohler thinks he has to be especially hard on "us" (the SBC) to... that part I can't figure.

[Sparko]

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Hey, that's ME in the white shirt!!!!

oh no! You've joined in on the #metoo thing!

[Cow Poke]

oh no! You've joined in on the #metoo thing!

This was before #metoo WAS a thing. In fact, this was before somebody turned the pound sign into a hash tag!