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    The Trump Administration Will Make It Easier To Fire Federal Employees

    The Trump administration announced a trio of executive orders that will make it easier for federal agencies to fire employees — a move that officials say is aimed at using taxpayer dollars more efficiently and not in response to Trump and his allies' belief that some career officials are purposefully sabotaging his presidency.

    Senior administration officials did not give an explicit answer either way when asked if they believed in the so-called deep state. Instead, officials said on a Friday conference call with reporters that the new actions were about "efficient use of government resources."
    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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    "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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    • #3
      Hard to tell here, as trump seems to be using the presidency for his personal vendettas.
      A happy family is but an earlier heaven.
      George Bernard Shaw

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      • #4
        Nice spin by BuzzFeed.

        But this is not a bad idea.
        Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
        But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
        Than a fool in the eyes of God


        From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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        • #5
          I wasn't happy with Obama's overuse of executive orders, so I can't be happy with Trump's, either.
          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
            I wasn't happy with Obama's overuse of executive orders, so I can't be happy with Trump's, either.
            Obama issued the lowest number of executive orders per year of any president in the last century. Most progressive commentators I listen to are quite angry that Obama didn't do more with executive orders.

            Though I agree with the thought that the US governmental system gives too much power to the Presidency and that governing by executive orders in general is a bad system.
            "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
            "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
            "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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            • #7
              As has been explained to you and others ad nauseam it wasn't the number that was so disconcerting but the reach and scope of them.

              I'm always still in trouble again

              "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
              "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
              "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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              • #8
                Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                I wasn't happy with Obama's overuse of executive orders, so I can't be happy with Trump's, either.
                There is a proper use of executive orders, and there is an improper use. Obama tried to use executive orders as an end-run around Congress and the Constitution to rule by fiat. Trump isn't doing that here. On the contrary, establishing rules for the hiring and firing of government employees is exactly the sort of thing executive orders are to be used for.
                Last edited by Mountain Man; 05-26-2018, 07:47 AM.
                Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                Than a fool in the eyes of God


                From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by Dimbulb View Post
                  Obama issued the lowest number of executive orders per year of any president in the last century. Most progressive commentators I listen to are quite angry that Obama didn't do more with executive orders.
                  In other news, Obama also lost more Supreme Court challenges than any other modern US president.

                  http://thefederalist.com/2016/07/06/...ern-president/

                  Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                  But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                  Than a fool in the eyes of God


                  From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                    There is a proper use of executive orders, and there is an improper use. Obama tried to use executive orders as an end-run around Congress and the Constitution to rule by fiat. Trump isn't doing that here. On the contrary, establishing rules for the hiring and firing of government employees is exactly the sort of thing executive orders are to be used for.
                    I don't like to agree with you MM but you are right. And it's the same principle here. When one uses an executive order to skirt the congressional vote its disgusting. I don't like for anyone to over do it.
                    A happy family is but an earlier heaven.
                    George Bernard Shaw

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                    • #11
                      Don't like to agree with me?

                      But what's wrong with being right?

                      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                      Than a fool in the eyes of God


                      From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                      • #12
                        Yeah, yeah, yeah.. second verse same as the first. It's not the NUMBER of EOs, it's what he was trying to do.

                        Though I agree with the thought that the US governmental system gives too much power to the Presidency and that governing by executive orders in general is a bad system.
                        Perhaps if you wrote a note to Congress, they'd reconsider.
                        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                          There is a proper use of executive orders, and there is an improper use. Obama tried to use executive orders as an end-run around Congress and the Constitution to rule by fiat. Trump isn't doing that here. On the contrary, establishing rules for the hiring and firing of government employees is exactly the sort of thing executive orders are to be used for.
                          And the left is going to squeal like a stuck pig (sorry OBP) because this is seen as anti-union.
                          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                            There is a proper use of executive orders, and there is an improper use. Obama tried to use executive orders as an end-run around Congress and the Constitution to rule by fiat. Trump isn't doing that here. On the contrary, establishing rules for the hiring and firing of government employees is exactly the sort of thing executive orders are to be used for.
                            IIRC at least one of his executive orders he had earlier said would be illegal for him to do but then went ahead and did it any ways.

                            I'm always still in trouble again

                            "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                            "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                            "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                            • #15
                              I support in principle making it easier to fire poor performers but the other orders go too far. The 25 percent rule is going to cripple the union where I work because there are too many grievances not to allow someone to review them part time (as well as forcing the unions to pay rent to exist). I know that is the point, sadly. Having to renegotiate our contract after coming to a deal just two or three months ago is stupid. It frustrates me when good ideas have what strikes me as gratuitous cruelty added on
                              "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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