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I squeal when I'm stuck.
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Are you telling me that sometimes people change their mind after receiving 2nd or 3rd opinions on the matter? I'm shocked.Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
That conveniently makes the truth of your claims rather difficult to evaluate. It gives me little way of responding to your gut-feeling based claim that Obama was worse on EOs, since the evidence appears to be against you. What evidence would you actually point to that would show Obama's EOs were any worse than the other presidents, who did more of them?Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post"I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert EinsteinComment
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More like he was both fully aware that it was illegal and that everyone was too scared to stop him because the MSM would scream RACISM! for months on end.Originally posted by Starlight View Post
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --TassmanComment
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Are you referring to DACA? That seems to be what comes up when I google for something that fits what you are describing. If it's something else you're referring to, let me know.Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
Politifact: Did Obama say he didn't have the right to issue DACA? Mostly False. They note:
- When Obama spoke about his ability to affect immigration laws, he consistently said he couldn't simply overrule congress, but that he could do selective enforcement. Conservatives tend to selectively quote Obama saying the first part about how he can't overrule congress but leave out the parts where he said there was scope for Presidential action.
- Obama was always vague on what selective enforcement was and wasn't within the prerogative of the president on this issue.
- DACA does, however, take the notion of selective enforcement to a whole new level that Obama didn't really hint at prior to it.
- DACA wasn't an Executive Order, it was a Department of Homeland Security policy.
So overall they rate Trump's claim that Obama said he couldn't do DACA as mostly false. He never said he couldn't do it, he merely said that his hands were tied somewhat on the matter and that he had some flexibility on immigration but not heaps. Nowhere did he ever say anything like "the specific DACA policies you are suggesting I do would be beyond the legal scope of the presidency". And, even if he had, people are allowed to change their mind on issues! Courts and legal experts remain divided to this day about the constitutionality of DACA, so if Obama himself thought that was the absolute limit of his own ability to act on the matter, it would seem he was probably right.Last edited by Starlight; 05-27-2018, 04:05 AM."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert EinsteinComment
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Politifact: All politics! No Facts!Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by PetraComment
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Fixed that for you.Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostEnter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologistComment
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So what is specifically incorrect in the article Starlight linked to? This is what I expressed concern about in a post the other day - people reflexively saying "fake news" without saying what's actually untrue, and often people saying this are simply wrong, so I tend not to uncritically believe "fake news" claims."I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard RavenhillComment
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Note that even starlight admits that DACA went rather beyond what Obama hinted at.Originally posted by KingsGambit View PostEnter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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I recommend you do not try too hard and ...research as little as possible. Such weighty things give me a headache. - Shunyadragon, Baha'i apologistComment
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Politifact tends to be quite good for listing the facts of the matter.Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
I find their final verdict on the truth/falsity tends to bend over backwards to be extra-favorable to conservatives and extra-harsh on liberals though. I have seen them pretty much admit that they do this to try and come across as 'fair and balanced' to conservatives."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert EinsteinComment
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Where?Originally posted by Starlight View Post"I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard RavenhillComment
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This statement is akin to saying that Breitbart has a liberal bias; it's so much the opposite of the actual situation I can only scratch my head in confusion at it. In my experience, PolitiFact is actually generally accurate when it comes to the information in their articles (even if, very frequently, they're quite skewed in the presentation of that information), but they're quite biased towards liberals when it comes to their final verdicts, which of course is all that a lot of people bother reading.Originally posted by Starlight View PostComment
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Well, that is a post by Starlight. At this point it is what I expect from him.Originally posted by Terraceth View PostComment
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The fact that you unquestioningly accept this BS is hilarious.Originally posted by Dimbulb View Post
Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by PetraComment
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The genetic fallacy...Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
If at least you could support your statement it would be interesting."Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.Comment
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Yip yip yip yip!Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by PetraComment
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