FBI report shows 10% of active shooters stopped by citizen with a gun.

[Littlejoe]

FBI reports that 2 of the Twenty active shooters in 2016 and 2016, were stopped by armed citizens. This is an increase from the previous report from 2000 - 2013 that showed that figure to be 3.1%. From the FBI report:

"In 6 incidents, citizens successfully acted to end the shootings. In 2 separate incidents, a citizen with a valid firearms permit exchanged gunfire with the shooter before the shooters were restrained and taken into custody by law enforcement. In 2 incidents, citizens physically restrained the shooters until law enforcement arrived, one with the aid of pepper spray."

Last night on the news a few hours north of me, a gun man shot 2 people at a restaurant, he was killed by an armed citizen.

I carry everywhere I'm allowed, for just such an emergency.

[Littlejoe]

I think this bodes well for the US. If gunmen fear armed resistance, maybe many of them will think twice before committing such atrocities.

"The best way to stop a bad man with a gun is a good man with a gun."

[Cow Poke]

I think this bodes well for the US. If gunmen fear armed resistance, maybe many of them will think twice before committing such atrocities.

And, again, way back when all this started in Texas, there was a large sign in a local Stop-N-Rob that said....

"Free coffee to concealed carry holders who drink it here".

When you walked in, there'd be some bubbas drinking coffee at a little picnic table at the front of the store (inside) and you'd have to wonder how many of them were armed.

[firstfloor]

I think this bodes well for the US. If gunmen fear armed resistance, maybe many of them will think twice before committing such atrocities.

"The best way to stop a bad man with a gun is a good man with a gun."

And what risk of accidents or unexpected consequences with all these guns on the streets? The main difficulty with guns is that they greatly amplify the hazard posed by angry or disturbed people or people with criminal intent. De-escalation is preferred over the option to out-hazard the hazard.

[Cow Poke]

And what risk of accidents or unexpected consequences with all these guns on the streets? The main difficulty with guns is that they greatly amplify the hazard posed by angry or disturbed people or people with criminal intent. De-escalation is preferred over the option to out-hazard the hazard.

Which is exactly why there is so much focus on deescalation in the Concealed Carry training course.

[Littlejoe]

And what risk of accidents or unexpected consequences with all these guns on the streets? The main difficulty with guns is that they greatly amplify the hazard posed by angry or disturbed people or people with criminal intent. De-escalation is preferred over the option to out-hazard the hazard.

That's certainly a valid concern, but to carry outside your property, somewhere that you can use a gun thwart such things, requires training and a license. Accidents by licensed concealed or open carry holders is pretty rare AFAIK.

[Starlight]

I carry everywhere I'm allowed, for just such an emergency.

If I were religious I would thank God that I live in a country where I can reasonably anticipate 'such an emergency' never occurring in my lifetime or that of my family or friends, because access to firearms is so restricted.


Question, out of curiosity: Assuming a private citizen starts shooting back at the shooter, and another private citizen sees the fight occurring and wants to help and/or the police arrive, how does the 3rd party joining the fight know which of the two individuals exchanging fire to shoot at?

[Littlejoe]

If I were religious I would thank God that I live in a country where I can reasonably anticipate 'such an emergency' never occurring in my lifetime or that of my family or friends, because access to firearms is so restricted.

It's never BEEN an issue in your country....ever, so saying you know how to deal with OUR problem is a bit presumptuous...don't you think?

Question, out of curiosity: Assuming a private citizen starts shooting back at the shooter, and another private citizen sees the fight occurring and wants to help and/or the police arrive, how does the 3rd party joining the fight know which of the two individuals exchanging fire to shoot at?

Unless you KNOW, you don't engage. That's covered in the training. Unless you know what's going on, you do not engage. In the scenario you pose, I would pull my weapon and take up a defensive position and watch until I knew who was the aggressor and only engage when I was absolutely certain.

[Starlight]

It's never BEEN an issue in your country....ever, so saying you know how to deal with OUR problem is a bit presumptuous...don't you think?

Well historically there were a few mass shootings, so gun laws and regulations got increasingly introduced and tightened. I've never seen a gun in public in an urban area in my lifetime (regular police are not armed). So a country that's largely solved the problem* can obviously teach a country that still has the problem.

* I still think our gun laws here are far too lax and should be significantly tightened further.

[KingsGambit]

Can I ask an "out of curiosity" question as well? I understand it's universally recommended to keep your gun locked up in a safe at home. How would one be able to reach it in time in an emergency then?

[Cow Poke]

Question, out of curiosity: Assuming a private citizen starts shooting back at the shooter, and another private citizen sees the fight occurring and wants to help and/or the police arrive, how does the 3rd party joining the fight know which of the two individuals exchanging fire to shoot at?

What LittleJoe said, PLUS --- it is VERY heavily impressed upon licensees that EVEN IF you are found to be 'righteous' criminally, that doesn't stop somebody from filing a civil suit (wrongful death, loss of wages, etc), and you can lose your house and be in mega serious financial trouble.

The whole license thing is more about NOT SHOOTING than it is about shooting.

[Cow Poke]

Can I ask an "out of curiosity" question as well? I understand it's universally recommended to keep your gun locked up in a safe at home. How would one be able to reach it in time in an emergency then?

Biometric safe, or pushbutton combination safe.

biometric safe.jpeg

That one is attached to the side of my nightstand, not visible to the casual observer, and safe from children who might discover it.

I like the pushbutton combination one better, cause it forces you to THINK - you have to be awake enough to push the combination - before you have a deadly weapon in your hand.

[Cow Poke]

Actually, if you look at that other picture, it shows the biometric one "opened".

Here's the one I actually have - the push button model - closed. Another advantage of the push button one over the biometric one - as we get older, our fingerprints become less sharp, causing difficulty for the biometric scan.

Speed-Vault-SV500-Closed.jpg

[Goulette]

Which is exactly why there is so much focus on deescalation in the Concealed Carry training course.

How many gun purchasers take this course?

[Littlejoe]

How many gun purchasers take this course?

CP might know the numbers better...but a quick research shows the population of Texas is approx 28.3 million. The gun ownership rate is approx. 35.7% in Texas. That would figure to about 10.1 million gun owners in TX. As of 2016 there have been 1.1 million carry licenses issued. But, that number will continue to increase IMO.