Ireland legalizes the killing of the unborn

[One Bad Pig]

It's amusing how simplistic and emotion-based the anti-abortion arguments are. It would be funny if adherents of the view weren't so passionate about it, as it is, it's just sad.

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[Starlight]

Skin cells do not meet even a loose definition of a lifeform, you scientifically illiterate buffoon.

They do actually meet a loose definition of a lifeform, and I have a PhD in a science field, so can you stop projecting your "scientifically illiterate buffoon" self-assessment onto me?

The difference between my argument and your "minds" kabuki dance is that my argument is based on irrefutable fact and unassailable logic. There's no guesswork, no opinion, no arbitrary valuation of an attribute. To disagree with my argument is to disagree with basic science

[Roy]

At the moment of conception, the resulting organism:

1) Meets even the most conservative scientific definition of life.
2) Has human DNA.
3) Is guilty of no legal or moral wrong.

Therefore, abortion kills an innocent human life.

Q.E.D.

At the moment of ejaculation, the resulting organisms:

1) Meet even the most conservative scientific definition of life.
2) Have human DNA.
3) Are guilty of no legal or moral wrong.

Therefore, failure to reach an egg first kills millions of innocent human lives.

Q.E.D

[Cow Poke]

CP's focus on the linguistics of it all demonstrates how shallow his morality is. To him, we wouldn't want to hurt a "baby", and therefore if you can creatively relabel the fetus as a "baby", then it must be protected too, QED. And so his 'morality' becomes a matter of playing word games.

Wow, what a tangled mess of word games you just played!

[Zymologist]

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The "better not trim your fingernails lol" arguments have been coming out in force lately...it's very depressing.

[Cow Poke]

The "better not trim your fingernails lol" arguments have been coming out in force lately...it's very depressing.

Seems rather desperate. And dumb.

[Mountain Man]

They do actually meet a loose definition of a lifeform...

No, they don't, you scientifically illiterate buffoon. Find me just one textbook definition of "life form" that would apply to a solitary skin cell.

[Mountain Man]

At the moment of ejaculation, the resulting organisms:

1) Meet even the most conservative scientific definition of life.
2) Have human DNA.
3) Are guilty of no legal or moral wrong.

Therefore, failure to reach an egg first kills millions of innocent human lives.

Q.E.D

Premise 1 is false, you scientifically illiterate buffoon. Find me just one textbook definition of "life form" that would apply to a solitary spermatozoa.

[Cow Poke]

The "better not trim your fingernails lol" arguments have been coming out in force lately...it's very depressing.

I just had a terrible thought! When the police gather hair or other sources of DNA from a crime scene, they are forcing those poor babies to testify against their parent!!!!

[Roy]

Premise 1 is false, you scientifically illiterate buffoon.

Oh look, I'm being called scientifically illiterate by some-one who uncritically repeats YEC drivel.

Find me just one textbook definition of "life form" that would apply to a solitary spermatozoa.

Goal-post shifts from "life" to "life form" and "scientific" to "textbook" noted.

Anyway, it's your argument. What scientific definition of life did you use?

[Sparko]

It's amusing how simplistic and emotion-based the anti-abortion arguments are. It would be funny if adherents of the view weren't so passionate about it, as it is, it's just sad.

What is sad is that you find the death of innocent human beings to be amusing.

[Sparko]

At the moment of ejaculation, the resulting organisms:

1) Meet even the most conservative scientific definition of life.

But not an organism

2) Have human DNA.

only half.

[Mountain Man]

Goal-post shifts from "life" to "life form" and "scientific" to "textbook" noted.

"Life", "life form", and "organism" are often used interchangeably, so the goalposts are sitting right where they started, you scientifically illiterate buffoon.

And in context, it's obvious I was referring to a scientific textbook, or does your illiteracy extend beyond merely scientific ignorance?

[Mountain Man]

But not an organism

Don't get sucked into Roy's prevaricating. "Life", "life-form", and "organism" are generally understood to refer to the same thing.

https://www.britannica.com/science/life

[One Bad Pig]

Oh look, I'm being called scientifically illiterate by some-one who uncritically repeats YEC drivel.

Saying something scientifically illiterate will get that for you. You don't typically make stupid arguments. This was one. Now you're faced with attempting to nitpick your way out of it.