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  • Which OT Laws are carried over to the NT?

    How does one know which Old Testament laws or commands are carried over to the New Testament? Where in the Bible is this issue addressed? I was just curious because different Christians have different beliefs concerning this issue. Some say that an Old Testament command does not apply to us today unless it is repeated in the New Testament, but others say that we should assume that an Old Testament command applies to us today unless the New Testament abrogates it.

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    Originally posted by Hornet View Post
    How does one know which Old Testament laws or commands are carried over to the New Testament? Where in the Bible is this issue addressed? I was just curious because different Christians have different beliefs concerning this issue. Some say that an Old Testament command does not apply to us today unless it is repeated in the New Testament, but others say that we should assume that an Old Testament command applies to us today unless the New Testament abrogates it.
    Per Eph. 2, Col. 3, Gal. 3, Heb. 7, and others, I believe that the entirety of the Law of the Obsolete Covenant -- each and every decree, ordinance, and Commandment -- has been abolished, cancelled, nailed to the Cross, hung on the Tree. The "laws" of the New Covenant are to have faith in Jesus as I AM, and to love one another / love our neighbors as ourselves / treat others as we wish others to treat us.
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    • #3
      To say none are unless they are specifically abrogated doesn't seem accurate. When Paul discovered the incest situation in 1 Cor 5, he assumed everybody already knew it was wrong and called for an immediate excommunication.
      "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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      • #4
        Which laws are active?

        If someone steals your sheep, he must return the sheep and six more.

        If someone steals your ax, he must return that ax and provide you a second one.

        If a man and woman commit adultery, they must be stoned by the community of you and everyone else.

        If someone murders another person, he must be killed.

        Someone having a nocturnal emission, must wash and be unclean until the evening.

        I may not be listing these perfectly but these give an idea of the law as it pertains to the wrong action done and the penalty to be fulfilled by the community.

        These laws were written for a specific nation to mold their behavior -- defining what was acceptable and how to fulfill justice, toward staying as a holy nation.

        However, the lack of applicability of the Law of Moses does not thereby give us permission to do whatever wrong things we might think of doing. It is just that we are not under the laws of Israel.
        Last edited by mikewhitney; 06-04-2018, 12:13 AM.

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        • #5
          Eph. 2:15 explicitly says the Law of "Commandments" has been abolished.

          I agree we are not to do "whatever wrong things we might think of doing." But the common idea that the Commandments -- usually meaning The Ten -- are still in effect, while the rest of the Old Law is gone, seems dubious at best.
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          Beige Federalist.

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          Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.

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          Justice for Ashli Babbitt!

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          • #6
            Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
            Eph. 2:15 explicitly says the Law of "Commandments" has been abolished.

            I agree we are not to do "whatever wrong things we might think of doing." But the common idea that the Commandments -- usually meaning The Ten -- are still in effect, while the rest of the Old Law is gone, seems dubious at best.
            So having sex with your mother is no longer immoral?
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            • #7
              If we focus on the two Jesus said were the biggies, we wouldn't have to worry about all the rest.
              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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              • #8
                The moral law of the old testament is still in "effect" - basically what is right and wrong (stealing, lying, murdering, coveting, sexual immorality etc) but the punishments or consequences are no longer in effect, nor are the ceremonial laws (dealing with cleanliness, sacrifices, wearing or eating certain things)

                And also as gentiles, we were never under the OT law. That was for hebrews.

                Acts 21:25
                As for the Gentile believers, we have written to them our decision that they should abstain from food sacrificed to idols, from blood, from the meat of strangled animals and from sexual immorality.”

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                • #9
                  No photographs on you walls; delete all pictures from you I-phone. Tear out all those pictures in you Bible.

                  Throw out all that pork in you refrigerator. Including BACON! That also goes for shrimp, lobster, clams.

                  Make sure your sons are all circumcised.

                  No more mowing your lawn on Saturdays. Wait until sunset. An no driving more than one mile beyond the limits of your municipality.
                  When I Survey....

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by Faber View Post
                    No photographs on you walls; delete all pictures from you I-phone. Tear out all those pictures in you Bible.

                    Throw out all that pork in you refrigerator. Including BACON! That also goes for shrimp, lobster, clams.

                    Make sure your sons are all circumcised.

                    No more mowing your lawn on Saturdays. Wait until sunset. An no driving more than one mile beyond the limits of your municipality.
                    You're not allowed to drive, period. Though I suppose you'd have to ask your rabbi if you're allowed to drive an electric car.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Faber View Post
                      No photographs on you walls; delete all pictures from you I-phone. Tear out all those pictures in you Bible.

                      Throw out all that pork in you refrigerator. Including BACON! That also goes for shrimp, lobster, clams.

                      Make sure your sons are all circumcised.

                      No more mowing your lawn on Saturdays. Wait until sunset. An no driving more than one mile beyond the limits of your municipality.
                      So having sex with your mother is no longer immoral?
                      Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by seer View Post
                        So having sex with your mother is no longer immoral?
                        Incest was not only morally acceptable, but absolutely necessary at the beginning of Creation.

                        So, from our perspective now, creepy and "ew," but not a moral absolute.
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                        Beige Federalist.

                        Nationalist Christian.

                        "Everybody is somebody's heretic."

                        Social Justice is usually the opposite of actual justice.

                        Proud member of the this space left blank community.

                        Would-be Grand Vizier of the Padishah Maxi-Super-Ultra-Hyper-Mega-MAGA King Trumpius Rex.

                        Justice for Ashli Babbitt!

                        Justice for Matthew Perna!

                        Arrest Ray Epps and his Fed bosses!

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
                          Incest was not only morally acceptable, but absolutely necessary at the beginning of Creation.

                          So, from our perspective now, creepy and "ew," but not a moral absolute.
                          Goalpost move.
                          Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                            Goalpost move.
                            More like change of venue.
                            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by NorrinRadd View Post
                              Incest was not only morally acceptable, but absolutely necessary at the beginning of Creation.

                              So, from our perspective now, creepy and "ew," but not a moral absolute.
                              Ok, so sex with your mother is not immoral. And you really believe this...
                              Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...

                              https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s

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