Originally posted by Leonhard
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No, they can't. That's not what I claimed. People can claim the Bible supports a variety of different ideas, and while its true a particular reading of the Bible cannot be approached entirely independently of the zeitgeist of the reader, none the less there are good principles of exegesis that can be applied. So its true you can find small cults who believe the Bible teaches reincarnation, if you want to find someone who makes that claim. But if you examine the Bible, and take into account why, where and who wrote it, then its clear that it doesn't.
No doubt, and that was a crime against humanity, however it was also Christians who argued that such a use of scripture was illicit. People were trying to justify what their cultural by the Bible, rather than conforming them.
Of course not, he is producing a good to be supplied to the public. A service like that can't be withheld because of the customer.
However, the same does not apply to artistic freedom. A Christian tested the fairness of how these laws were applied by asking a gay baker to bake a cake with scripture quote on it, just the name of a book and the numbers of the verse. That's all. The baker refused, and argued 'artistic freedom' considering decorating a cake with calligraphy to convey a message was a work of art. An artist has the freedom to refuse a commission for various personal reasons.
And even more ironically, some of these bakers also started using exactly the same arguments as the Christians did, "I'm willing to bake them a normal blank cake, and then give them the supplies so they can decorate and write the messages themselves."
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/th...iage-cake.-now
So here its pretty clear that some people in the LGBTQ wants legal muscle to do things and harass Christians, without themselves being subject to the same kind of limitations. In this case I side with religious freedom to refuse to produce artistic works that are fundementally against your own values, and by the linked to examples, so are the LGBTQ, they want the same laws we Christians are going for, but I don't think they should get a special immunity from them themselves. If they get to refuse creative works, so should Christians.
And even more ironically, some of these bakers also started using exactly the same arguments as the Christians did, "I'm willing to bake them a normal blank cake, and then give them the supplies so they can decorate and write the messages themselves."
https://www.lifesitenews.com/news/th...iage-cake.-now
So here its pretty clear that some people in the LGBTQ wants legal muscle to do things and harass Christians, without themselves being subject to the same kind of limitations. In this case I side with religious freedom to refuse to produce artistic works that are fundementally against your own values, and by the linked to examples, so are the LGBTQ, they want the same laws we Christians are going for, but I don't think they should get a special immunity from them themselves. If they get to refuse creative works, so should Christians.
Except the baker, as I heard it at least, didn't refuse to bake a cake for them. But it would not be decorated, they'd have to do that himself.
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