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The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostIt has been clear all along that any person - gay, straight, or confused - can go into the cake shop and buy anything off the shelf. No discrimination. The problem comes when somebody puts themselves above the cake artist and decides their desires are more important than the cake artist's convictions.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostIt has been clear all along that any person - gay, straight, or confused - can go into the cake shop and buy anything off the shelf. No discrimination.
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Originally posted by Roy View PostPerhaps in this case.
But there have been cases where bakers have refused to provide cakes they would have provided to straight couples. Or generic cupcakes if used for a gay ceremony. Or pizza for a gay wedding. That is discrimination. By focussing on the cases where the design is the issue, and ignoring the cases where it is not, you are avoiding the problem.
Or do you think that pizza isn't an off-the-shelf item?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostIn some cases, pizza is indeed an "off-the-shelf" item. Usually, it's made to order. In the case you cited, it apparently was a catering situation, not a sales situation.
After owners of Memories Pizza in Walkerton, Ind., said they won't outright deny service to gay couples in their restaurant, but would never cater a same-sex wedding, the shop has temporarily closed.
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Originally posted by seer View PostRight:
After owners of Memories Pizza in Walkerton, Ind., said they won't outright deny service to gay couples in their restaurant, but would never cater a same-sex wedding, the shop has temporarily closed.
The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by seer View PostRight:
After owners of Memories Pizza in Walkerton, Ind., said they won't outright deny service to gay couples in their restaurant, but would never cater a same-sex wedding, the shop has temporarily closed.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostYeah that is actually trying to force them to ATTEND the wedding reception.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostAnd, that's a major distinction. It would cause them to give the false impression that they support same-sex marriage.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostOf course, they could have attended the reception and worn aprons with bible verses on them condemning homosexuality. Free speech and all. And handed out pamphlets.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Sparko View PostOf course, they could have attended the reception and worn aprons with bible verses on them condemning homosexuality. Free speech and all. And handed out pamphlets.
"The Colorado Court of Appeals also erred by suggesting that Phillips could simply post a disclaimer, disassociating Masterpiece from any support for same-sex marriage. Again, this argument would justify any law compelling speech. And again, this Court has rejected it. We have described similar arguments as “beg[ging] the core ques*tion.” Tornillo, supra, at 256. Because the government cannot compel speech, it also cannot “require speakers to affirm in one breath that which they deny in the next.”
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Originally posted by Roy View Post
Or do you think that pizza isn't an off-the-shelf item?Last edited by Tassman; 07-31-2018, 12:38 AM.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Joel View PostIncidentally, the possibility of their doing so does not mean the law isn't violating the 1st Amendment. As I quoted (in Post #126) from Clarence Thomas' concurring opinion:
"The Colorado Court of Appeals also erred by suggesting that Phillips could simply post a disclaimer, disassociating Masterpiece from any support for same-sex marriage. Again, this argument would justify any law compelling speech. And again, this Court has rejected it. We have described similar arguments as “beg[ging] the core ques*tion.” Tornillo, supra, at 256. Because the government cannot compel speech, it also cannot “require speakers to affirm in one breath that which they deny in the next.”
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostOf course not. Pizza makers are "PIZZA ARTISTS"...same as CP's "cake artists" above.
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