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  • #31
    Originally posted by Yttrium View Post
    Independents haven't fared well in general elections. See Ross Perot and John Anderson.
    As other posters have noted, I was talking about him running for the Dem nominee like he tried to do in 2016, rather than strictly as an "independent".

    Sanders is the longest-serving independent in congress in US history, which is what I'm referring to when I call him an independent. In congress, he gets elected as an "independent" by voters in Vermont but chooses to caucus with the democrats, and gets appointed to positions (e.g. budget committee chair) as if he were a democrat. In Vermont, he typically runs in the Democratic primary, wins, declines their nomination and then runs in the general as an "independent". But for the presidential race itself in 2016 and 2020 he did/would slap the label "Democrat" on his ticket.

    I'm saying he's got the outside-the-two-party-system, history of running as an "independent", flair that's popular with voters.

    I think 2020 Sanders versus Trump in a general would be a landslide for Sanders such as the US hasn't seen for decades. And I say that based on looking at polling data, not based on some gut feeling. It would be the US's most popular politician versus the US's least popular politician. It wouldn't be remotely close.
    "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
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    • #32
      Another factor: Bernie Sanders would be inaugurated at 79. John McCain was accused of being too old when he ran at age 71, for comparison.
      "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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      • #33
        Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
        Another factor: Bernie Sanders would be inaugurated at 79. John McCain was accused of being too old when he ran at age 71, for comparison.
        IIRC, the main issue with McCain was the choice of Palin as VP, so the point wasn't simply that he was old, but that "if you happen to die in office, as seems totally possible, you're making SARAH PALIN President?!" Also, did McCain have possible health issues at the time, I can't totally remember...?
        "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
        "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
        "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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        • #34
          Originally posted by Starlight View Post
          Also, did McCain have possible health issues at the time, I can't totally remember...?
          Yes.
          "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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          • #35
            Originally posted by Starlight View Post
            IIRC, the main issue with McCain was the choice of Palin as VP, so the point wasn't simply that he was old, but that "if you happen to die in office, as seems totally possible, you're making SARAH PALIN President?!" Also, did McCain have possible health issues at the time, I can't totally remember...?
            I don't think it was that so much for the primary, as she definitely had her base, as it was that McCain was exhibiting signs of... not necessarily 'instability', but... at times he didn't seem all there. And it was incredibly risky to attack him on anything, because he was "a war hero".
            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
              Like I said, plenty of photos on the internet of woman looking very uncomfortable in response to [Creepy Joe's] "attention".
              To add to this, a lot of it is on video, too. Imagine the gold mine of archival footage that could be used in political ads.
              Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
              But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
              Than a fool in the eyes of God

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              • #37
                Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                As other posters have noted, I was talking about him running for the Dem nominee like he tried to do in 2016, rather than strictly as an "independent".

                Sanders is the longest-serving independent in congress in US history, which is what I'm referring to when I call him an independent. In congress, he gets elected as an "independent" by voters in Vermont but chooses to caucus with the democrats, and gets appointed to positions (e.g. budget committee chair) as if he were a democrat. In Vermont, he typically runs in the Democratic primary, wins, declines their nomination and then runs in the general as an "independent". But for the presidential race itself in 2016 and 2020 he did/would slap the label "Democrat" on his ticket.

                I'm saying he's got the outside-the-two-party-system, history of running as an "independent", flair that's popular with voters.

                I think 2020 Sanders versus Trump in a general would be a landslide for Sanders such as the US hasn't seen for decades. And I say that based on looking at polling data, not based on some gut feeling. It would be the US's most popular politician versus the US's least popular politician. It wouldn't be remotely close.
                Each party (the two) is far more concerned about their own self-preservation than what's good for the country. I don't think the Democratic Machine could allow an "independent" to (can't think of the right word) 'hijack' their brand.
                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by Dimbulb View Post
                  IIRC, the main issue with McCain was the choice of Palin as VP, so the point wasn't simply that he was old, but that "if you happen to die in office, as seems totally possible, you're making SARAH PALIN President?!"
                  McCain's presidential aspirations were on life-support until he announced Sarah Palin as his VP which reinvigorated his campaign, and he suddenly became a real contender again. This fact was not lost on the Democrats and their mainstream media allies who pulled out all the stops to politically and personally destroy Palin.
                  Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                  But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                  Than a fool in the eyes of God

                  From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                    McCain's presidential aspirations were on life-support until he announced Sarah Palin as his VP which reinvigorated his campaign, and he suddenly became a real contender again. This fact was not lost on the Democrats and their mainstream media allies who pulled out all the stops to politically and personally destroy Palin.
                    Yeah, she was fair game, but, as I mentioned, even the Dems knew they had to tread lightly on attacking "a war hero".
                    The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                      It's been a while now since a failed nominee managed to recapture the nomination - Adlai Stevenson?
                      Richard Nixon was the Republican candidate that lost the election to JFK in 1960. Won the nomination after LBJ... and was (obviously) then elected in 1968.
                      "What has the Church gained if it is popular, but there is no conviction, no repentance, no power?" - A.W. Tozer

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Littlejoe View Post
                        Richard Nixon was the Republican candidate that lost the election to JFK in 1960. Won the nomination after LBJ... and was (obviously) then elected in 1968.
                        Right, forgot about that. Still, it's been a while.
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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                          As other posters have noted, I was talking about him running for the Dem nominee like he tried to do in 2016, rather than strictly as an "independent".
                          His own party stabbed him in the back in the last election. Why would they want him now? Why would he trust them?

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Starlight View Post

                            Biden ... [is] a 'safe' center-right candidate
                            .
                            I believe if you called Biden that to his face he would slap you silly.

                            I'm always still in trouble again

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                            • #44
                              I don't blame the Democrats for not wanting him anyway because he wasn't a Democrat to begin with. He was using the party brand.
                              "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                              • #45
                                Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                                I don't blame the Democrats for not wanting him anyway because he wasn't a Democrat to begin with. He was using the party brand.
                                He caucuses with them, though. It's not like they were strangers.
                                Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

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