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  • #16
    Let's also note that Feinstein and Hatch's first terms in the Senate weren't at their current ages. When they were first elected, Feinstein was 59 and Hatch was 43 and then they just won all their subsequent re-elections.

    The oldest person to ever be elected as a freshman Senator was James Bowler, elected at the age of 78.

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    • #17
      Originally posted by Terraceth View Post
      The oldest person to ever be elected as a freshman Senator was James Bowler, elected at the age of 78.
      People are gradually living longer and longer and maintaining their quality of life further into their old age, so we should expect such age records to be regularly broken. Trump was the oldest elected president ever sworn in. If Trump or Bernie or Biden win in 2020 that record will be broken once again.
      "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
      "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
      "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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      • #18
        Would "Handsy" Joe Biden survive in the age of #MeToo? There is gobs of photographic evidence of women looking very uncomfortable at his advances.
        Last edited by Mountain Man; 06-04-2018, 09:10 PM.
        Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
        But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
        Than a fool in the eyes of God


        From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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        • #19
          Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
          Would "Handsy" Joe Biden survive in the age of #MeToo? There is gobs of photographic evidence of women looking very uncomfortable at his advances.
          Those rumors are way too gossipy. I'd prefer to see actual allegations when it comes to something as serious as sexual abuse.
          "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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          • #20
            Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
            It would be ironic if the Democratic primary came down to choosing between two really old white guys, though.
            Sanders is a Jewish atheist who's grandparents died in the holocaust. So he ticks the oppressed minority box twice over.

            He's also got a really good history on civil rights, from chaining himself to a black activist in 1963 protesting segregation in his college days and getting arrested for it, to as Mayor of Burlington in 1983 fighting successfully for the rights of gay people to hold a pride parade there.

            So as far as 'identity politics' goes, Sanders ticks the boxes.
            "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
            "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
            "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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            • #21
              Sanders would be crushed in any general election. The Russian propaganda farm actively supported him, and the Republicans didn't touch him in the primaries. He still didn't win. The pressure would have been turned up to 11 the second he won the primaries.
              "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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              • #22
                Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                Sanders would be crushed in any general election.

                Nope. He would utterly crush. All the polling said so and continues to say so. He consistently polls as the most popular US politician. His favorability is much higher than anyone else's. All the head to head polling showed him doing way better than Hillary against Trump.

                He'd do much better in a general than a primary because he's an independent and the country likes independents. He's also pretty good at touring Red states and giving well-received speeches there because he's populist and honest, so a lot of Republican voters respect him as a person even if they disagree with him on policy.

                the Republicans didn't touch him in the primaries.
                Hmm, Fox News laughed at him for being a "socialist" and dismissed him as utterly untenable. That's hardly not touching him. Meanwhile WaPo and NYT went after him pretty viciously. WaPo managed to do 16 negative articles on him in 16 hours.

                The pressure would have been turned up to 11 the second he won the primaries.
                The crazies would have been screaming "he's a COMMUNIST" from the rooftops. Big whoop. Those same crazies frothed at the mouth about Obamacare and declared it worse than slavery.
                "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by Starlight View Post

                  Nope. He would utterly crush. All the polling said so and continues to say so. He consistently polls as the most popular US politician. His favorability is much higher than anyone else's. All the head to head polling showed him doing way better than Hillary against Trump.

                  He'd do much better in a general than a primary because he's an independent and the country likes independents. He's also pretty good at touring Red states and giving well-received speeches there because he's populist and honest, so a lot of Republican voters respect him as a person even if they disagree with him on policy.

                  Hmm, Fox News laughed at him for being a "socialist" and dismissed him as utterly untenable. That's hardly not touching him. Meanwhile WaPo and NYT went after him pretty viciously. WaPo managed to do 16 negative articles on him in 16 hours.

                  The crazies would have been screaming "he's a COMMUNIST" from the rooftops. Big whoop. Those same crazies frothed at the mouth about Obamacare and declared it worse than slavery.
                  And for comparison's sake, how many negative articles/statements did Clinton receive in the same time period? These polls aren't indicative of how he would actually do once nominated. He was still a largely unknown quantity in the eyes of most voters; once nominated, that would change, rapidly.

                  If you think anybody who self identifies as a socialist would "crush" in an election, you know absolutely nothing about American politics. It's one of the ultimate scare words over here.
                  "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                    Those rumors are way too gossipy. I'd prefer to see actual allegations when it comes to something as serious as sexual abuse.
                    Like I said, plenty of photos on the internet of woman looking very uncomfortable in response to his "attention".
                    Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                    But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                    Than a fool in the eyes of God


                    From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                      If you think anybody who self identifies as a socialist would "crush" in an election, you know absolutely nothing about American politics. It's one of the ultimate scare words over here.
                      It's mainly a scare word among voters who would never vote for the Democratic candidate anyway.
                      "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                      "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                      "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                        Sanders would be crushed in any general election. The Russian propaganda farm actively supported him, and the Republicans didn't touch him in the primaries. He still didn't win. The pressure would have been turned up to 11 the second he won the primaries.
                        To be fair, part of the reason he lost is because the Democrat primary was clearly rigged against him. The whole "super delegate" thing guarantees that the DNC can select whoever they want regardless of who the voters actually choose.
                        Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
                        But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
                        Than a fool in the eyes of God


                        From "Fools Gold" by Petra

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Starlight View Post

                          Nope. He would utterly crush. All the polling said so and continues to say so. He consistently polls as the most popular US politician. His favorability is much higher than anyone else's. All the head to head polling showed him doing way better than Hillary against Trump.

                          He'd do much better in a general than a primary because he's an independent and the country likes independents. He's also pretty good at touring Red states and giving well-received speeches there because he's populist and honest, so a lot of Republican voters respect him as a person even if they disagree with him on policy.
                          Independents haven't fared well in general elections. See Ross Perot and John Anderson. Moderates can do well. He's not a moderate. Red states would reject him outright for being too socialist. He would do poorly in most blue states... for being too socialist. Yes, he would be crushed. And I say that as an independent.

                          Well, that is, he might not be crushed if he actually manages to run against Trump. Trump's presence would throw all predictions out the window, as usual.
                          Middle-of-the-road swing voter. Feel free to sway my opinion.

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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Yttrium View Post
                            Independents haven't fared well in general elections. See Ross Perot and John Anderson. Moderates can do well. He's not a moderate. Red states would reject him outright for being too socialist. He would do poorly in most blue states... for being too socialist. Yes, he would be crushed. And I say that as an independent.

                            Well, that is, he might not be crushed if he actually manages to run against Trump. Trump's presence would throw all predictions out the window, as usual.
                            Yeah, I couldn't figure out if Star was assuming Sanders could be the Dem Nominee, or if he actually thought Sanders could win as an Independent with both a Republican and Democratic nominee in the race.
                            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                              Yeah, I couldn't figure out if Star was assuming Sanders could be the Dem Nominee, or if he actually thought Sanders could win as an Independent with both a Republican and Democratic nominee in the race.
                              I think he meant as the Democratic nominee. He mentioned head to head polling against Trump. (I also don't think that means all that much since most people who didn't vote for Trump would probably vote for my laundry basket against him; he's that polarizing.)
                              "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                                I think he meant as the Democratic nominee. He mentioned head to head polling against Trump.
                                Yeah, the head to head made me think he was seeing Sanders as the DemNom, but touting him as an Independent...

                                (I also don't think that means all that much since most people who didn't vote for Trump would probably vote for my laundry basket against him; he's that polarizing.)
                                But you're right about Sanders not really getting attacked like a front-runner would be.
                                The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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