Biden for PREZ?!?!?!

[Mountain Man]

The real point is that neither had much experience but this was only held against Palin and she wasn't seeking as high of a position.

The argument favored by the left was that Obama was backed up by a seasoned vice president, so it was OK that his political resume could fit on one side of a business card with room left over.

[Tassman]

They said they tried to interfere -- much like they have done in every election since the start of the Cold War. They never said they "helped ensure that Hillary would lose." In fact folks like Rosenstein, no friend of Trump's by any measure, have said just the opposite -- they were ineffective^[1]. That is your own illegitimate spin that you seek to add. This has become your sleazy modus operandi just like when you tried to dishonestly slip "nice white countries" into a supposed quote by Trump.

The Senate Intelligence Committee released a report on Tuesday largely underlining what the US intelligence community said in January 2017: Russia interfered in the 2016 US presidential election to help elect Donald Trump.

https://www.businessinsider.com/sena...ference-2018-7

1. To be more precise he said that not a single vote was changed nor was the election outcome affected by their attempted meddling.

Meddling, NOT "attempted meddling".

We have no way of knowing whether or not people changed their voting on this basis.

Moreover, FBI director Christopher Wray declared at a conference held at the Aspen Institute for Humanistic Studies (a think tank that US News & World Report ranks as centrist) that "[The Russians] do not tamper in our infrastructure. They try to destabilize the integrity of our system by usually backing losers and getting the losers all upset claiming something went awry, and that promotes disharmony and distrust of the election system." And the left is doing just what they hoped for.

Well the US is certainly destabilised, so it must be working.

[Tassman]

so it was OK that his political resume could fit on one side of a business card with room left over.

So how much space would Trump's "political resume" require?

[Leonhard]

To me, that was one of his really low moments.

And arguably being off-the-cuff, and gruff, like he was was, was part of why he won. So if the Republicans are abandoning decorum and winning on it, don't be surprised if liberals are going to up the ante on that thing.

[Mountain Man]

So how much space would Trump's "political resume" require?

The difference between Trump and Obama is that Trump has decades of real-world executive experience managing a successful worldwide business empire and maintaining friendly international relations with a wide variety of countries and world leaders.

Obama, on the other hand, was a no-account "community organizer" who rarely showed up for work and spent his career as a senator voting "present".

There's a reason Trump in only two-years has accomplished far more than Obama did in eight to the point that a recent The Daily Beast editorial was whining that Trump has effectively reduced Obama's "legacy" to little more than a footnote in presidential history.

Even CNN has been forced to admit that Trump can't seem to stop winning.

https://www-m.cnn.com/2018/10/06/pol...omy/index.html

[JimL]

The difference between Trump and Obama is that Trump has decades of real-world executive experience managing a successful worldwide business empire and maintaining friendly international relations with a wide variety of countries and world leaders.

You mean that he was born with a silver spoon in his mouth, was given $413 million from his daddy, and lost it all, going bankrupt numerous times, lost any ability to aquire loans from the American banks whose money he lost, and who was only saved by Russian run banks and illegal Russian oligarch money laundered by him through his real estate holdings. In other words a losing, tax cheating fraud and crook.

Obama, on the other hand, was a no-account "community organizer" who rarely showed up for work and spent his career as a senator voting "present".

Community organizer by choice when he could have easily made a fortune had he chose to, coming out of Harvard, president of the Harvard law review. I know, character and ethics is not one of your strong suits, MM, after all you are a Trump supporter.

There's a reason Trump in only two-years has accomplished far more than Obama did in eight to the point that a recent The Daily Beast editorial was whining that Trump has effectively reduced Obama's "legacy" to little more than a footnote in presidential history.

What did he accomplish? Obama reduced the unemployment rate from 10% to 4%. Trump inherited that process and the rate went down another 0.3%, wow! Amazing! Trump is all talk, and his supporters are a mix between unethical, selfish wealthy people and the naive/brainless sheep that will stick with him even should he shoot someone on 5th ave in broad daylight..

Even CNN has been forced to admit that Trump can't seem to stop winning.

It's easy to win over stupid, unethical, people.

[Mountain Man]

[Terraceth]

Obama was widely known for being "Senator Present" not wanting to vote on anything that could be controversial since he wanted to market himself as all things to all people (hence the vacuous "Change you can believe in" slogan). And even then a large chunk of his time in the Senate he wasn't even present but out on the campaign trail.

The real point is that neither had much experience but this was only held against Palin and she wasn't seeking as high of a position.

I'm not saying that lack of experience isn't a legitimate criticism against either. I simply questioned your assertion that Obama had less experience than Palin when such a thing is hard to quantify given the differing positions they served in previously.

[One Bad Pig]

I'm not saying that lack of experience isn't a legitimate criticism against either. I simply questioned your assertion that Obama had less experience than Palin when such a thing is hard to quantify given the differing positions they served in previously.

The office of governor is much more analogous to that of the President than is a senator.

[Mountain Man]

I'm not saying that lack of experience isn't a legitimate criticism against either. I simply questioned your assertion that Obama had less experience than Palin when such a thing is hard to quantify given the differing positions they served in previously.

Instead of looking at job titles, look at what each actually accomplished in their respective offices. Palin did a heck of a lot more as governor than Obama did as senator.

[rogue06]

The office of governor is much more analogous to that of the President than is a senator.

To a considerably lesser extent so is being a mayor.

[Tassman]

You mean that he was born with a silver spoon in his mouth, was given $413 million from his daddy, and lost it all, going bankrupt numerous times, lost any ability to aquire loans from the American banks whose money he lost, and who was only saved by Russian run banks and illegal Russian oligarch money laundered by him through his real estate holdings. In other words a losing, tax cheating fraud and crook.

Community organizer by choice when he could have easily made a fortune had he chose to, coming out of Harvard, president of the Harvard law review. I know, character and ethics is not one of your strong suits, MM, after all you are a Trump supporter.

What did he accomplish? Obama reduced the unemployment rate from 10% to 4%. Trump inherited that process and the rate went down another 0.3%, wow! Amazing! Trump is all talk, and his supporters are a mix between unethical, selfish wealthy people and the naive/brainless sheep that will stick with him even should he shoot someone on 5th ave in broad daylight..


It's easy to win over stupid, unethical, people.

Wait until the Mid Terms when the braggadocios charlatan gets his comeuppance. Trump's popularity is way down except among his Evangelical supporters