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. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostOf course there are reasons. The fact there are reasons does not make the reasons in and of themselves correct. Now if you know of a definitive case we can discuss it. [There were reasons Hebrews had for long time been attributed to Paul, yet it is understood today based on Hebrews 2:3 that Paul did not write it.]Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostThe definitive case is documented by the majority of the Biblical scholars and recognized without controversy today.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostUnbelieving Bible scholars are typically wrong. And your general statement is not definitive and does not present any specifics to justify anything. The historic evidence for the four gospel accounts is that they were written by whose names are associated with them.
What historical evidence outside the gospels supports the original authorship of the gospels?
The International Bible Society supports the academic view of the order of the synoptic gospels.
Last edited by shunyadragon; 06-17-2018, 11:19 AM.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostThe Bible scholars are not just unbelievers unless you are considering only the Bible scholars that agree with you as believers.
What historical evidence outside the gospels supports the original authorship of the gospels?
The International Bible Society supports the academic view of the order of the synoptic gospels.
. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostFrom the view point that Holy Scripture is Holy Scripture, it was Holy Scripture when it was written. Theories of those who do not believe those scriptures are Holy Scripture has not change that perspective.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostYou did not answer the question nor address the source that involves believers, which is the International Bible Society.
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Last edited by Cow Poke; 06-20-2018, 01:33 PM.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostThe following link is to a pdf which addresses your question:
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The reference relies only on internal evidence and circular selfish reason to justify an agenda, and totally reject the more reliable historical external evidence.Last edited by Cow Poke; 06-20-2018, 01:33 PM.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostThe following link is to a pdf which addresses your question:
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Nevertheless, the mainstream scholarly view is that the Gospels are anonymous works, written in a different language than that of Jesus, in distant places, after a substantial time lapse, by unknown persons who compiled redacted, and embellished various traditions in order to provide a narrative of Jesus that would confirm and enhance the faith of their communities. In short, the Gospels are works of oral tradition, i.e. collections of anonymous traditions passed down through many iterations between the actual witnesses and the unknown writers of the Gospels.Last edited by Cow Poke; 06-20-2018, 01:33 PM.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostNevertheless, the mainstream scholarly view is that the Gospels are anonymous works, written in a different language than that of Jesus, in distant places, after a substantial time lapse, by unknown persons who compiled redacted, and embellished various traditions in order to provide a narrative of Jesus that would confirm and enhance the faith of their communities. In short, the Gospels are works of oral tradition, i.e. collections of anonymous traditions passed down through many iterations between the actual witnesses and the unknown writers of the Gospels.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostThe reference relies only on internal evidence and circular selfish reason to justify an agenda, and totally reject the more reliable historical external evidence.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostThe evidence is cited in the pdf.
Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostThe argument of anonymous is based on the fact that the known associated human author did not sign his name, as such, in the document. There is no other evidence of being anonymous beyond that omission in regard to the four gospel accounts. The writer of Acts refers to himself as a participant in some of its events. The manuscript evidence, is the fact, that titles are known to accompany the copies of gospel accounts. The pdf presents the manuscripts and the titles which came with them.“He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostIt's the argument you want to hear, i.e. 'confirmation bias', but this does not reflect the mainstream scholarly view is that the Gospels are anonymous works based upon oral tradition passed down through many iterations between the actual witnesses and the unknown writers of the gospels.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostThe reference relies only on internal evidence and circular selfish reason to justify an agenda, and totally reject the more reliable historical external evidence.
. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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