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We don't have any complete manuscripts of the gospels from the first century. But every complete manuscript of the gospels we have does have the correct 4 authors attached to them.
When all the evidence we have supports the gospels being written by Mark, Luke, Matthew and John, then it is up to you to provide actual counter evidence to claim otherwise. Imaginary evidence is not evidence.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostThey do not exist nor any reference in the literature prior to ~100 AD.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostNo objective verifiable evidence external to the Bible provided by either Sparko nor you.
There is NO contrary evidence.
What a freaking idiot you are Frank.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostNo objective verifiable evidence external to the Bible provided by either Sparko nor you.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostDid you read the pdf that I provided the link for? Have you heard of the Nestle -Aland Greek New Testament? It is one of a number of such works.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostThat link was deleted as an official Mod Action - it was argument by weblink, and is against the rules. You need to at least do a summary of what it's going to say - you can't just expect somebody to read the whole thing to see what it was you were trying to get across.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostIt was of a pdf which was written in regard to the Nestle-Aland Greek New Testament suggesting improvements to that work. It was provided because as I understood shunydragon he was requesting that type of information.
i provided a good Christian Source, not atheist, that supports the documentary hypothesis.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostNo, I was requesting objective evidence dating before ~100 AD that documents the authorship of the gospels. Nothing provided so far meets that criteria.
i provided a good Christian Source, not atheist, that supports the documentary hypothesis.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostTwo things. 1) No such documents as yet have been found. 2) Hypothesis does not mean endorsement by them. The oldest manuscripts known have the same names associated with the gospels.Last edited by shunyadragon; 06-20-2018, 10:19 PM.
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Originally posted by 37818 View PostIt was of a pdf which was written in regard to the Nestle-Aland Greek New Testament suggesting improvements to that work. It was provided because as I understood shunydragon he was requesting that type of information.
"ALL the texts had variants and the choice of which variant text to use was based on the majority vote of the committee. None of the texts could be thought of as the original texts, such texts no longer exist." The best the experts can achieve is make best guesses as to what the original text said.
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An Introduction To The New Testament Textual Criticism, 1986, Cambridge University Press.Last edited by Tassman; 06-21-2018, 02:28 AM.
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Originally posted by Tassman View PostThe committee for the United Bible Societies' Greek New Testament consisted of leading NT scholars Kurt Aland, Matthew Black, Bruce Metzger, Allen Paul Wikgren and Carlo Maria Martini; their translations were based upon the best available original manuscripts.
"ALL the texts had variants and the choice of which variant text to use was based on the majority vote of the committee. None of the texts could be thought of as the original texts, such texts no longer exist." The best the experts can achieve is make best guesses as to what the original text said.
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An Introduction To The New Testament Textual Criticism, 1986, Cambridge University Press.Last edited by 37818; 06-21-2018, 04:03 PM.. . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV
. . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV
Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV
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