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Could God reincarnate humans if he wanted to?

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  • #16
    Originally posted by Sparko View Post
    And I think that children and aborted babies who die already are saved so there would be no reason for another life.
    Um. Any parent obviously wants what's best for their children. And obviously going to heaven rather than hell is the absolute best thing that can happen to children. So are you saying that parents can guarantee this by aborting their children? Cos you make it sound like abortion is the absolute best possible thing that a parent can do for their kids.

    But if he wanted to have set up reincarnation, he could have. He is God.
    Okay. What do you think about 'hell' as another world much like this one being an option for God?
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    • #17
      Originally posted by Dimbulb View Post
      Um. Any parent obviously wants what's best for their children. And obviously going to heaven rather than hell is the absolute best thing that can happen to children. So are you saying that parents can guarantee this by aborting their children? Cos you make it sound like abortion is the absolute best possible thing that a parent can do for their kids.
      Except for that whole "you shall not commit murder" thing.
      Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
      But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
      Than a fool in the eyes of God


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      • #18
        Maybe somebody could account for the increase in the world population by reasoning that it means that more people are getting closer to nirvana and getting reincarnated as humans and not animals.
        "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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        • #19
          Originally posted by 37818 View Post
          There is the law in logic called the excluded middle. In regards to the Bible, There are a number of possibilities. The Bible in common is made up of 66 books. They were all transcribed by men. So they all could be just the words of man and not God as claimed. Christians by in large regard the original autographs of all the 66 books to be of God given to men. There are those who believe only some or parts of those books are from God.

          The excluded middle, either something is or it is not true. So either the Bible as a whole was given as the word from God or not as a whole. (Even if only parts, then it is not as a whole.)

          Two things to note: 1) Christians know this God. 2) They know this God though the good news of salvation being a free, cannot be merited, gift, through the death, burial and bodily resurrection of the man Jesus Christ - being also the Son of God through whom men do come to know God.
          Well, Christianity IS the idea that the lost originals are guaranteed accurate by God himself. I am not sure why you mentioned ‘excluded middle’ except to muddy the waters. Christianity cannot prove itself right just by saying so. The long wait for you know who, should make you wonder about what you are failing to understand. The possibility remains that Christianity might simply be a well established habit.
          “I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
          “And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
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          • #20
            Originally posted by Starlight View Post
            You're assuming everyone is constantly reincarnated. What I was asking about was the possibility that God choose to reincarnate certain people for certain reasons.
            That IS the general belief.
            So rather than address the specific points in the OP, you're just going to talk vaguely about other people's ideas of reincarnation? Not helpful.
            Sorry, didn't realize you were making up your own theory of reincarnation. It seems somewhat capricious to give some a do-over and not others. An age-based distinction would cheapen the lives of those under the age limit.
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            • #21
              Originally posted by mossrose View Post
              And that can't strictly be described as reincarnation. It will be MY body and MY spirit, not a different one.

              Just better.
              Reincarnation means back in the flesh. Recycling of souls has been called that so to make that term "reincarnation" to mean "soul recycling." So Biblical reincarnation is resurrection not "soul recycling."
              . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

              . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

              Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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              • #22
                Originally posted by Rushing Jaws View Post
                The unity of a specific soul and a specific body is essential to human identity. The Incarnation presupposes it. For if reincarnation is possible, the unity of Christ’s Identity with His Divine Personhood and His Sacred Humanity collapses.
                Do souls exist prior to, and apart from, their not yet existing bodies? If so, where do they reside in the meantime and how many of them would you say exist? If not, if they don't exist prior to their physical bodies, where do they come from and how do they inhabit their new bodies.

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                • #23
                  Originally posted by JimL View Post
                  Do souls exist prior to, and apart from, their not yet existing bodies? If so, where do they reside in the meantime and how many of them would you say exist? If not, if they don't exist prior to their physical bodies, where do they come from and how do they inhabit their new bodies.
                  I've heard three views on that...

                  A) The soul is 'generated' by the physical parents with the physical body - Traducianism (though it's unclear how an immaterial soul could be generated by a strictly physical process)
                  2) The soul is created by God at the moment of conception - Ecclesiastes 12:7; Isaiah 42:5; Zechariah 12:1; Hebrews 12:9 - the Creationist view
                  C) That God created all of the souls at one time, and they are "warehoused" somewhere - no biblical basis for this
                  The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
                    Well, Christianity IS the idea that the lost originals are guaranteed accurate by God himself. I am not sure why you mentioned ‘excluded middle’ except to muddy the waters. Christianity cannot prove itself right just by saying so. The long wait for you know who, should make you wonder about what you are failing to understand. The possibility remains that Christianity might simply be a well established habit.
                    Christians know God. The lost do not. When the holy scriptures were written they were from God upon being written. The copies statically verify readings. All copies good and bad have most of the texts in common.

                    The excluded middle? Either the whole of the 66 books or not the whole of the 66 books, was the point I was making. Christians regard the whole of the 66 books being given by God through men.
                    . . . the gospel of Christ: for it is the power of God unto salvation to every one that believeth; . . . -- Romans 1:16 KJV

                    . . . that Christ died for our sins according to the scriptures; And that he was buried, and that he rose again the third day according to the scriptures: . . . -- 1 Corinthians 15:3-4 KJV

                    Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: . . . -- 1 John 5:1 KJV

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by 37818 View Post
                      Christians know God. The lost do not. When the holy scriptures were written they were from God upon being written. The copies statically verify readings. All copies good and bad have most of the texts in common.

                      The excluded middle? Either the whole of the 66 books or not the whole of the 66 books, was the point I was making. Christians regard the whole of the 66 books being given by God through men.
                      I trust that you appreciate that your true or false statement above is actually two (at least) and both have to be true in your arguement.
                      1. God exists.
                      2. And He wrote all 66 books of the Bible.
                      More conditions may be added to this list.
                      Last edited by firstfloor; 06-06-2018, 12:56 PM.
                      “I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
                      “And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
                        1. God exists.
                        2. And He wrote all 66 books of the Bible.
                        True
                        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
                          Except for that whole "you shall not commit murder" thing.
                          So the law: "You shall not commit murder" leads to the consequence that some people have to suffer for an eternity in hell?
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                          • #28
                            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                            True
                            What evidence is there that the Bible is complete or that God has said all he has to say to mankind?
                            What does the long wait for the Kingdom of God signify?
                            Is it possible that Christianity is in error concerning its creed?
                            “I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
                            “And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
                            “not all there” - you know who you are

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by 37818 View Post
                              Christians know God. The lost do not.
                              “for wide is the gate, and broad is the way, that leadeth to destruction” …. might well mean that if you are feeling too comfortable about your Christian faith, you might be on the wrong path.
                              “I think God, in creating man, somewhat overestimated his ability.” ― Oscar Wilde
                              “And if there were a God, I think it very unlikely that He would have such an uneasy vanity as to be offended by those who doubt His existence” ― Bertrand Russell
                              “not all there” - you know who you are

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by firstfloor View Post
                                2. And [God] wrote all 66 books of the Bible.
                                Few people would put it that way. They're considered inspired by God. Most Christians also believe there are more than 66 inspired books (Protestants are not a majority).
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