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    Stfoskey15's thread on How long should copyrights last? got me thinking about patents for pharmaceutical drugs.

    Various recent international trade agreements like the TPP have toyed with the idea of increasing the length of patents on pharmaceutical drugs, the idea being that pharmaceutical companies need to get a good "return on investment" to incentivise further R&D. i.e. They won't spend heaps of money inventing great new drugs if they can't sell them at huge profits after they invent them.

    So currently governments grant the pharmaceutical companies a period (7-20 years or so depending on country) after the invention of the drug where they can sell it at whatever price they like, to recoup their R&D costs, and nobody else is allowed to sell the drug. After that, all bets are off, and anyone who feels like manufacturing the drug for 1c per pill in India is allowed to do so (typically the actual costs of manufacturing the drug are tiny) and can sell and distribute it at cost+profits.

    It's worth noting that in the US, pharmaceutical companies are currently the most profitable industry (even more than banks) and are the biggest donors to politicians (even more than banks). Their marketing expenses are notoriously high, as they spend much of their money convincing doctors to prescribe the drugs they currently have under patent.

    So when I started thinking about how long pharmaceutical patents should be, I looked up what the total R&D spending is, with a view to thinking about how long they would need in patents to recoup that investment...

    ...and found that global pharmaceutical R&D spending is only ~$160B US!

    That is tiny: Less than 5% of the US federal budget; Around a third of the $450B spent per year in the US on prescription drugs; About what the US government itself currently spends per year buying prescription drugs through Medicare+Medicaid.

    So the US government could easily, using the money it already spends on drugs, fund the entire world's R&D budget for pharmaceuticals, and once a drug has been discovered allow anyone to manufacture it and sell it at cost (1c each or whatever). Or better still, the UN could agree for all countries to spend 1% of their federal budget on pharmaceutical R&D. Or in international trade agreements the terms could be "you agree to spend 2% of your budget on pharmaceutical R&D and in exchange all drugs discovered in each of our countries are patent-free within our countries".
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    sounds good in theory, but if there is just a pool of money sitting there, it will be wasted on dumb crap and pork projects. The reason we get innovation is because of competition, the drug companies compete to come out with new treatments in order to sell them for a profit. Think of it like evolution, survival of the fittest. If there is no drive to improve you get stagnation.

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    • #3
      Universities do fine at providing a competitive research environment Sparko. Researchers have to make detailed applications for grant money that are reviewed by experts. Then to publish, the papers themselves are peer reviewed, and there is competition to try and get in the best journals possible.
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      "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
      "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Starlight View Post
        Universities do fine at providing a competitive research environment Sparko. Researchers have to make detailed applications for grant money that are reviewed by experts. Then to publish, the papers themselves are peer reviewed, and there is competition to try and get in the best journals possible.
        I am sure there is a lot of waste and graft there too. And peer pressure to keep everyone in line and not thinking too far outside the box, or they get ostracized.

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          Originally posted by Sparko View Post
          I am sure there is a lot of waste and graft there too. And peer pressure to keep everyone in line and not thinking too far outside the box, or they get ostracized.
          Not to mention that the flaws in the peer review system have been widely documented, with both good and bad studies being accepted or rejected for reasons that have nothing to do with scientific validity.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
            Not to mention that the flaws in the peer review system have been widely documented, with both good and bad studies being accepted or rejected for reasons that have nothing to do with scientific validity.
            Sure, there are sometimes some issues.

            Compare that to the existing massive flaws in the private pharmaceutical R&D process where they actively suppress unfavorable findings, hide dangerous side-effects of drugs, market drugs knowing they cause cancer, deliberately create opioid epidemics to make money, etc.
            "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
            "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
            "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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