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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI think it speaks to outside help (in this case, several faith-based interests) doing the match making. It's a proven model, but it's so "not government". Plus, we provide a $1500 scholarship on the completion of our course payable to whatever college or trade school they want to attend, and we draw in local businesses to help train in interviewing techniques and the like.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI think it speaks to outside help (in this case, several faith-based interests) doing the match making. It's a proven model, but it's so "not government". Plus, we provide a $1500 scholarship on the completion of our course payable to whatever college or trade school they want to attend, and we draw in local businesses to help train in interviewing techniques and the like.
Is your view that if it's churches doing it, it's "good" but if it's government doing the same thing it's "bad"? Or that the moment the government gives $1 in support to existing private organisations doing this, that those organisations will instantly crumble? Is it just more simplistic conservative ideology of "the government can't do anything good... okay, except maybe the military... okay, and maybe medicare... okay, and maybe deportations and border control... okay, and maybe torture programs and spying... but anything else the government ever does is Terrible... and if we repeat the mantra of 'the government can't create jobs' often enough it will totally become true."?"I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Psychic Missile View PostHow wide-spread would you estimate the model to be?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostSo you think jobs programs like that are good, and you're at least somewhat involved in one... yet in another thread when I mentioned that a lot of Dems now want the federal government to put some money into programs like the one you think is good...The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostHow bout being a little more specific so I know what you're talking about.
It went:
CP: "There are SO MANY problems with this post, I don't even know where to begin, so I'll just leave you to your fantasy."
SL: "That's fine, I don't expect you to be able to come up with objections instantly, so take time to think about it. Also, bear in mind, you don't need to object to something just because I support it."
CP: "I object to it because it's insane. Stupid. Idiotic. The fact that you support it is not surprising at all."
I'm not trimming your posts there, the one liners were your entire contribution. So I'm somewhat surprised to see you do such a u-turn from labeling jobs programs as "insane" to actively supporting one."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostStarting at the end of this post and a follow-up explanation we had an exchange.
It went:
CP: "There are SO MANY problems with this post, I don't even know where to begin, so I'll just leave you to your fantasy."
SL: "That's fine, I don't expect you to be able to come up with objections instantly, so take time to think about it. Also, bear in mind, you don't need to object to something just because I support it."
CP: "I object to it because it's insane. Stupid. Idiotic. The fact that you support it is not surprising at all."
I'm not trimming your posts there, the one liners were your entire contribution. So I'm somewhat surprised to see you do such a u-turn from labeling jobs programs as "insane" to actively supporting one.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostSo you think jobs programs like that are good, and you're at least somewhat involved in one... yet in another thread when I mentioned that a lot of Dems now want the federal government to put some money into programs like the one you think is good, you had strong but unspecified objections to the idea... sometimes you seem very weird.
And you portray it as "put some money into programs"......
The program we run that WORKS costs the taxpayers ZERO.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostWow, so you're comparing Bernie's nutty "let the government be their employer" idiocy to a program that actually gets them jobs...
The program we run that WORKS costs the taxpayers ZERO.
Do you think programs like yours would get worse if they had more government funding?"I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostI am happy with any type of program that results in people who previously did not have jobs ending up with jobs. It is one of those areas where I think the approach should be "Try everything: All of the above". So I not overly concerned with nitpicking whether one particular method is better or worse. Senate Dems have proposed a variety of different jobs programs this year, and I think that's great, and I haven't looked at the differences between their proposals.
Aren't Churches tax-exempt? So the taxpayer is effectively funding those activities to the tune of the tax rate.
Do you think programs like yours would get worse if they had more government funding?The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostSo you think jobs programs like that are good, and you're at least somewhat involved in one...
yet in another thread when I mentioned that a lot of Dems now want the federal government to put some money...
into programs like the one you think is good,
you had strong but unspecified objections to the idea...
sometimes you seem very weird.
Is your view that if it's churches doing it, it's "good" but if it's government doing the same thing it's "bad"?
Or that the moment the government gives $1
in support to existing private organisations doing this, that those organisations will instantly crumble?
Is it just more simplistic conservative ideology of "the government can't do anything good... okay, except maybe the military... okay, and maybe medicare... okay, and maybe deportations and border control... okay, and maybe torture programs and spying... but anything else the government ever does is Terrible... and if we repeat the mantra of 'the government can't create jobs' often enough it will totally become true."?
Meanwhile, we're having a hard time getting the summer/fall jobs program started because we can't find enough out-of-work people who want to apply for the training and the $1500 scholarship! This might be the first time in 8 years we haven't had two class per year!The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostSo you think jobs programs like that are good, and you're at least somewhat involved in one... yet in another thread when I mentioned that a lot of Dems now want the federal government to put some money into programs like the one you think is good, you had strong but unspecified objections to the idea... sometimes you seem very weird.
Is your view that if it's churches doing it, it's "good" but if it's government doing the same thing it's "bad"? Or that the moment the government gives $1 in support to existing private organisations doing this, that those organisations will instantly crumble? Is it just more simplistic conservative ideology of "the government can't do anything good... okay, except maybe the military... okay, and maybe medicare... okay, and maybe deportations and border control... okay, and maybe torture programs and spying... but anything else the government ever does is Terrible... and if we repeat the mantra of 'the government can't create jobs' often enough it will totally become true."?
2. The military isn’t a well oiled machine of efficiency either, but it’s the governments job to protect its citizens."The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by Cow Poke View PostI was re-reading that thread, and you're really more batpoop nutty than I had remembered.
The churches aren't funding these programs. The Churches might provide meeting space or snacks,
Absolutely, because government money always has strings
and always seems to find the most expensive and ineffective way to not do things.
You're bonkers if you think any government program is even remotely like "the one I think is good".
I'm involved in jobs programs that cost the taxpayers nothing, and actually result in (I stand corrected) over 90% employment to it's graduates
and you want to compare that to Bernie setting up a whole system to hire people at taxpayer expense at who knows how much cost"I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
"Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
"[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein
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Originally posted by Starlight View PostYou off your meds?
Venue costs can get expensive if you actually have to hire them, free space to run the program in isn't nothing.
Some skeptical people might translate that as "if we took any government funding...
Fact is - I like the way we're doing this a WHOLE lot better than the way you're not.The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.
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