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Organic Matter found on Mars
Last edited by shunyadragon; 06-07-2018, 04:45 PM.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
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I have been following this over the years, and it has been known for years that methane was in the atmosphere of Mars. What is new here is they found organic molecules in the rock in the lake bed. I was a little frustrated with this article, because it did not reference the original research that found the organic chemicals in the rock. I would like to know what organic chemicals they found in the rock, which was lake sediment mudstone.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
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Link to full paper for you.
Diverse pyrolysis products, including thiophenic, aromatic, and aliphatic compounds released at high temperatures (500° to 820°C), were directly detected by evolved gas analysis. Thiophenes were also observed by gas chromatography–mass spectrometry....
SAM’s molecular observations do not clearly reveal the source of the organic matter in the Murray formation. Biological, geological, and meteoritic sources are all possible. Certainly, if ancient life was the organic source, then despite sulfur incorporation, the material has been altered sufficiently, such as by diagenesis or ionizing radiation (23), to obscure original molecular features more consistent with life (e.g., a greater diversity of molecules or patterns of limited structural variation within compound classes, such as hydrocarbon chains), or an insufficient amount of organic matter was deposited to allow detection by pyrolysis–GC-MS."I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
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Given that "organic matter" simply means "molecules containing one or more carbon atoms" and carbon is a byproduct of late-stage massive stellar fusion, it's rather unsurprising that some is found here and there - no "life" required. It also goes without saying that any organic molecule found on the surface of Mars isn't going to be very complex due to the deleterious effects of continual minimally filtered radiation bombardment.Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostGiven that "organic matter" simply means "molecules containing one or more carbon atoms" and carbon is a byproduct of late-stage massive stellar fusion, it's rather unsurprising that some is found here and there - no "life" required. It also goes without saying that any organic molecule found on the surface of Mars isn't going to be very complex due to the deleterious effects of continual minimally filtered radiation bombardment.Last edited by shunyadragon; 06-08-2018, 06:15 AM.Glendower: I can call spirits from the vasty deep.
Hotspur: Why, so can I, or so can any man;
But will they come when you do call for them? Shakespeare’s Henry IV, Part 1, Act III:
go with the flow the river knows . . .
Frank
I do not know, therefore everything is in pencil.
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Originally posted by shunyadragon View PostThe organic chemical found in the mudstone, not on the surface, are not simply "molecules containing one or more carbon atoms."The evidence is, of course, not conclusive, but the organic chemicals found in the lake bed rock are complex organic molecules.
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostI have for a long time believed that our first real evidence for life not on earth would be found on Mars. It seems headed that way, but time will tell. My Christian brothers and sisters whose faith rests on the belief the earth is only 6000 years old and God used miraculous rather than natural processes to create life will likely struggle if that indeed is the case. But I believe it would be wise to start thinking about what that might mean and how to respond to it.
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Originally posted by One Bad Pig View PostThey shouldn't struggle with it. Denying its possibility is an argument from silence.
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostI expect it will be a fairly difficult pill to swallow. It has very strong implications for evolution v and for the minimum age of the solar system.
Jim"When the Western world accepted Christianity, Caesar conquered; and the received text of Western theology was edited by his lawyers…. The brief Galilean vision of humility flickered throughout the ages, uncertainly…. But the deeper idolatry, of the fashioning of God in the image of the Egyptian, Persian, and Roman imperial rulers, was retained. The Church gave unto God the attributes which belonged exclusively to Caesar."
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Originally posted by Duragizer View PostYears ago, I came across an article on AiG which touched on the topic. The author hypothesized any organic matter found on Mars could have a terrestrial origin.
This is not a plausible story even for somebody who wants to believe.
JimMy brethren, do not hold your faith in our glorious Lord Jesus Christ with an attitude of personal favoritism. James 2:1
If anyone thinks himself to be religious, and yet does not bridle his tongue but deceives his own heart, this man’s religion is worthless James 1:26
This you know, my beloved brethren. But everyone must be quick to hear, slow to speak and slow to anger; James 1:19
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Originally posted by oxmixmudd View PostKeeping in mind the time it takes to traverse the gap and the time it would take to distribute globally when the only place it can survive is underground, not so much. Even if non is alive now, you have to get enough of it to Mars that randomly drilling in a formation that according to its geology would be a good place to look would find some.
This is not a plausible story even for somebody who wants to believe.
Jim
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Originally posted by HMS_Beagle View PostYou know darn well Ken Hambone and Wacky Wally Brown are already working on stories of how the Fountains Of The Deep blew chunks of the Earth containing organic material all the way to Mars. MOAR EVIDUNCE FER CREATION!!Jorge: Functional Complex Information is INFORMATION that is complex and functional.
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