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  • #31
    Originally posted by Sparko View Post
    1. You know that means that the MSM did just the opposite then right? Back then they were praising Obama and now they are condemning Trump?

    2. Trump never once "bowed and scraped" to Kim. In fact he has made Kim bow and scrape to get the meeting back on the books and Trump seems to have walked away with everything he wanted: Complete de-nuclearization of NK. Obama accomplished nothing.
    Correction - Trump walked away with agreements to talk about denuclearization, as far as I can tell. And I believe you will find that the Kim family has promised this to the last four presidents, secured concessions, and it never happened. So untiil the nukes are actually gone, Trump has don't anything different - except to actually MEET with Kim Jong Un. That is something no other president has done. Indeed, as the video showed, even the mention of such a meeting would get the right up in arms...until Trump did it of course. Then he is a "great leader."

    And, as you note (and I noted earlier), the left did the exact same thing in reverse.

    ETA: It appears Trump is moving down a similar path to previous presidents: concessions to NK before NK does anything. It remains to be seen if we're going to go back down the path of many promises by NK, and nothing done. Perhaps this time will be different.
    Last edited by carpedm9587; 06-13-2018, 09:59 AM.
    The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

    I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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    • #32
      Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
      Correction - Trump walked away with agreements to talk about denuclearization, as far as I can tell. And I believe you will find that the Kim family has promised this to the last four presidents, secured concessions, and it never happened. So untiil the nukes are actually gone, Trump has don't anything different - except to actually MEET with Kim Jong Un. That is something no other president has done. Indeed, as the video showed, even the mention of such a meeting would get the right up in arms...until Trump did it of course. Then he is a "great leader."

      And, as you note (and I noted earlier), the left did the exact same thing in reverse.

      ETA: It appears Trump is moving down a similar path to previous presidents: concessions to NK before NK does anything. It remains to be seen if we're going to go back down the path of many promises by NK, and nothing done. Perhaps this time will be different.
      I don't know if he will succeed either, ultimately, but he has done exactly what he said he would do so far (as long as congress has let him). That's refreshing in a President.

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      • #33
        Originally posted by Sparko View Post
        I don't know if he will succeed either, ultimately, but he has done exactly what he said he would do so far (as long as congress has let him). That's refreshing in a President.
        Trump could cure cancer and the left would find something to kvetch about.
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        • #34
          Originally posted by Sparko View Post
          I don't know if he will succeed either, ultimately, but he has done exactly what he said he would do so far (as long as congress has let him). That's refreshing in a President.
          Sparko - every president promises - and every president does what they can after they are in office - and discovers that some of the things they promised they cannot do because of <insert obstacle here>. I don't see Trump as following through on any more than any other president. And I see him as accomplishing a great deal less. The Washing Post has been tracking his promises.
          The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

          I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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          • #35
            Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
            Sparko - every president promises - and every president does what they can after they are in office - and discovers that some of the things they promised they cannot do because of <insert obstacle here>. I don't see Trump as following through on any more than any other president. And I see him as accomplishing a great deal less. The Washing Post has been tracking his promises.
            uh. No. They don't keep their promises or even really try. Trump jumped right in and started fulfilling his promises from the get-go. I don't even particularly WANT him to keep some of them, but he has shown he is willing to not only keep his promises but fight tooth and nail for them.

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            • #36
              Originally posted by Sparko View Post
              uh. No. They don't keep their promises or even really try. Trump jumped right in and started fulfilling his promises from the get-go. I don't even particularly WANT him to keep some of them, but he has shown he is willing to not only keep his promises but fight tooth and nail for them.
              The record does not align with your observation. Trump's track record is not substantively different than any other president, AFAICT. The primary difference is Trump's ceaseless self-congratulation on his greatness, and the perpetual drum beat of the RWM (Right-Wing Media) in praising him for "keeping his promises." Apparently the advertising is working - they've convinced at least one person.

              Mostly, they've convinced Trump's base.
              The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

              I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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              • #37
                Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                As you wish, Sparko. The record does not align with your observation.
                Feel free to inform me then.

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                • #38
                  Originally posted by One Bad Pig View Post
                  Trump could cure cancer and the left would find something to kvetch about.
                  If Obama had found the cure for cancer, Trump would ban it.
                  “He felt that his whole life was a kind of dream and he sometimes wondered whose it was and whether they were enjoying it.” - Douglas Adams.

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                  • #39
                    Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                    If Obama had found the cure for cancer, Trump would ban it.
                    And his base would celebrate that it triggered the libs.
                    "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
                    "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                    "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                      Feel free to inform me then.
                      I provided you with a link to the breakdown of promises kept, promises broken, promises compromised, and promises "in progress." Hopefully that is enough information. You can compare it with Obama's record, where his ratio of delivered-on promises is actually a bit higher than Trump's - however Trump has not finished his term and may raise his numbers before he does. I'm sure you can find similar "meters" for previous presidents.

                      The primary difference is the gong-banging Trump regularly does, and the backup he gets from the White House media arm at Fox. With their record setting audiences, and Hannity & Co. repeating Trump's false claims night after night - well - Trump is right: repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth. At least, for those unwilling to dig in and find the facts.
                      The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                      I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                      • #41
                        Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                        uh. No. They don't keep their promises or even really try. Trump jumped right in and started fulfilling his promises from the get-go. I don't even particularly WANT him to keep some of them, but he has shown he is willing to not only keep his promises but fight tooth and nail for them.
                        Sparko - that just flat out isn't true. Every president has a mixture of "did that," "compromised on that" and "didn't do that." Your opinion of Trump is pretty badly skewed. It sounds like you've bought into his rhetoric. The list of his accomplishments against his promises is easily reviewed. Review it. I provided a link to one such list. There are many.
                        The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                        I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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                        • #42
                          Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
                          I provided you with a link to the breakdown of promises kept, promises broken, promises compromised, and promises "in progress." Hopefully that is enough information. You can compare it with Obama's record, where his ratio of delivered-on promises is actually a bit higher than Trump's - however Trump has not finished his term and may raise his numbers before he does. I'm sure you can find similar "meters" for previous presidents.

                          The primary difference is the gong-banging Trump regularly does, and the backup he gets from the White House media arm at Fox. With their record setting audiences, and Hannity & Co. repeating Trump's false claims night after night - well - Trump is right: repeat a lie often enough and it becomes the truth. At least, for those unwilling to dig in and find the facts.
                          That was pretty lame, carp. Most of O's promises were fudged as "compromise" and the ones he did keep were silly useless crap stuck in there to further improve his score like:
                          Support improved weather prediction program
                          The Promise: Will work to launch "without further delay" the Global Precipitation Measurement mission, "an international effort to improve climate, weather, and hydrological predictions through more accurate and more frequent precipitation measurements."
                          Update December 21st, 2016: Key observatory was launched in 2014 and is operating smoothly

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                          • #43
                            Originally posted by Tassman View Post
                            If Obama had found the cure for cancer, Trump would ban it.
                            Don't go changin'.
                            Enter the Church and wash away your sins. For here there is a hospital and not a court of law. Do not be ashamed to enter the Church; be ashamed when you sin, but not when you repent. – St. John Chrysostom

                            Veritas vos Liberabit<>< Learn Greek <>< Look here for an Orthodox Church in America<><Ancient Faith Radio
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                            • #44
                              Originally posted by Sparko View Post
                              That was pretty lame, carp. Most of O's promises were fudged as "compromise" and the ones he did keep were silly useless crap stuck in there to further improve his score like:
                              Support improved weather prediction program
                              The Promise: Will work to launch "without further delay" the Global Precipitation Measurement mission, "an international effort to improve climate, weather, and hydrological predictions through more accurate and more frequent precipitation measurements."
                              Update December 21st, 2016: Key observatory was launched in 2014 and is operating smoothly
                              I am absolutely stunned that you would reject something position about Obama and put forward such a glowing endorsement of Trump.

                              I leave to you, Sparko. The facts are there. Or you can persist in your bubble...
                              The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King

                              I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas

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