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It dawns on me that there is actually a fairly simple solution to all of this. Get away from distinguishing between "men's sports" and "women's sports" and make it a genetic screening issue. We could have the "X Games" and the "XX games." The former are open to anyone with an X chromosome (which is everyone); the latter only open to those with XX chromosomes (which is typically associated with women).
This allows anyone to gender identify as they see fit, but also recognizes that XY provides a testosterone boost, which can be a strength differentiator. It also makes it possible for those women who want to compete with men to do so, while protecting those women who would rather not from having to.
Simple...? Win-win?The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostOnce again carp either ignores or hand waves off the cold hard facts such as those presented by Terraceth
And lpot's mention that the military fitness charts have different score charts for men and women to which I'll add
The article continues speculating that perhaps given enough time and if more women start participating that this gap might magically disappear but then notes that "this rough ratio has held for 55 years"
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"Don't be confused by the x-axis: it's counting years, though
they may look like ratios. That 1/55 means January 1955"
It also notes that women have caught up with some records -- like tying Mark Spitz's record for the butterfly (swimming) -- but of course that was 50 years ago and I should note has been repeatedly shattered since then. Today, his time might not even qualify someone to make the finals.
But continue ignoring all of this. Perhaps its just another of your "right-wing memes" Instead concentrate on getting your knickers in a bunch over someone saying "stupid" and "simple."The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View Post
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostAgain - correlation without causation. We do know that there is a hormone difference between men and women, and a general size difference. We simply don't know if the 90% number is because of this, or because women have been historically told they cannot successfully compete with men, or some combination of the two. We won't know that until we actually create mechanisms for women to compete with and against men in a variety of venues, and stop telling them, "you're not up to it.""The man from the yacht thought he was the first to find England; I thought I was the first to find Europe. I did try to found a heresy of my own; and when I had put the last touches to it, I discovered that it was orthodoxy."
GK Chesterton; Orthodoxy
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Originally posted by seer View PostRight, and like bowling or race car driving.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostThere's a reason Danica Patrick is better known for her swimsuit photos than for her performance on the track.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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So here's the solution: get rid of sports by gender division and just let everybody compete together.
Of course it would almost entirely eliminate women from any kind of sporting competition, but at least nobody could ever complain about being giving special treatment.Some may call me foolish, and some may call me odd
But I'd rather be a fool in the eyes of man
Than a fool in the eyes of God
From "Fools Gold" by Petra
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostIt dawns on me that there is actually a fairly simple solution to all of this. Get away from distinguishing between "men's sports" and "women's sports" and make it a genetic screening issue. We could have the "X Games" and the "XX games." The former are open to anyone with an X chromosome (which is everyone); the latter only open to those with XX chromosomes (which is typically associated with women).
This allows anyone to gender identify as they see fit, but also recognizes that XY provides a testosterone boost, which can be a strength differentiator. It also makes it possible for those women who want to compete with men to do so, while protecting those women who would rather not from having to.
Simple...? Win-win?Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by seer View PostHow about this biological boys compete against biological boys, biological girls compete against biological girls. Simple - without all the extra hoops you are suggesting. Why does everyone have to be held hostage by a mere handful of mentally messed up kids?
I'm always still in trouble again
"You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
"Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
"Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman
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Originally posted by rogue06 View PostBecause anything and everything must be sacrificed on the altar of political correctness.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by Mountain Man View PostTyranny of the minority.Atheism is the cult of death, the death of hope. The universe is doomed, you are doomed, the only thing that remains is to await your execution...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jbnueb2OI4o&t=3s
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Originally posted by carpedm9587 View PostOr perhaps we simply teach young girls, as you apparently do, that they simply can't compete with men and that's the level to which they aspire?
Also, your third link actually does some to disprove your point. It argues that in the rather specific sport of open water swimming, men and women are on equal footing (though it does list some objections to that hypothesis), but declares that to make it "unique among the world's various athletic competitions" as in conceding that's not the case for other sports.
I would also be remiss to not point out something absolutely laugh out loud: In your first link, when listing times women beat men, it cites Chyna as defeating Jeff Jarrett. Here is the problem: That win occurred in professional wrestling, which is scripted and not an actual competition. One might as well point to some point in the comics that Wonder Woman defeated Superman as an example of how women can be as good as men in athletics.
And an entire book devoted to the subject: https://www.amazon.com/Playing-Boys-.../dp/0195386779 (I just ordered a copy, so thanks for pushing me to this search).Last edited by Terraceth; 06-15-2018, 06:33 PM.
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Originally posted by lilpixieofterror View PostI’m in the military and do physical training with the men. I can’t run as fast, can’t do as many sit ups, can’t do as many push ups, etc despite 4-5 days per week of physical training. Can I do more than someone that doesn’t do any PT? Sure, but I sure can’t do a 6 minute mile and wasn’t ever able to even 10 years ago, but I know men in my age group that can and do. It has nothing to do with what you claim, it has to do with basic biological difference in muscle density and structure. No matter how much you wish it was so, there’s biological difference between men and women that do give men, and by extension trans women unfair advantages that can’t be overcome.The ultimate weakness of violence is that it is a descending spiral begetting the very thing it seeks to destroy...returning violence for violence multiplies violence, adding deeper darkness to a night already devoid of stars. Darkness cannot drive out darkness; only light can do that. Hate cannot drive out hate; only love can do that. Martin Luther King
I would unite with anybody to do right and with nobody to do wrong. Frederick Douglas
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