Separating immigrant families and imprisoning children

[KingsGambit]

Seriously, did you read the article I posted earlier? "Mass detention center"... ooh, scary sounding.

But in reality, the kids are given healthcare, clean clothes, taught basic hygiene and how to use modern conveniences like running water and flushing toilets; they're bunked in large, clean rooms, fed three-squares a day, given an education, one-on-one and group counseling, and engage in social activities like proms and field trips to local zoos and museums. Ironically, they're probably better off than the children of asylum seekers who enter legally.

I did catch that. But that's not my point to begin with. My point isn't that they're treated poorly, but rather than a center by definition does not attempt to replicate a family unit in the same way that a foster family attempts to (which is the normal consequence when a child's parents are arrested). Also, as entering the US illegally for the first time is a misdemeanor, there's a question of overkill as children are not always removed from the home for misdemeanors.

[Starlight]

Funny how anyone who thinks that Trump isn't the anti-Christ is a "cultist" but those who called Obama a god and the like aren't

Of course they are. Crazy is crazy.

Don't pretend there's equivalence between liberals and conservatives just because there's a dozen nutty people who are liberals. It seems that about half of American conservatives have signed their brains over to Trump and will praise and support their glorious leader come what may. One bonkers liberal is not relevant compared to tens of millions of bonkers conservatives.

[Mountain Man]

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I don't understand why this is so hard for people to understand. Blame the parents for breaking the law, and not the system that is forced to deal with their lawlessness.

[Starlight]

I don't understand why this is so hard for people to understand.

I, for one, don't understand why read is spelled 'reid' in the pic. You guys supporters of Joy-Ann Reid or something?

But shall I put you and Rogue down as supporters of these family-separation policies then?

Blame the parents for breaking the law, and not the system that is forced to deal with their lawlessness.

I do keep trying to blame Trump for his many crimes, but you keep blaming the system that's trying to deal with his lawlessness.

[demi-conservative]

Fake News: 'immoral evil child abuse!!!!!!'
Libs: 'immoral evil child abuse!!!!!!'
Conservatives: 'actually, if you look up facts, not immoral, also lawful also decent treatment under circum-'
Brainwashed parrots: 'immoral evil child abuse!!!!!! '

Best part is how brainwashed babies do pretense of being rational, also based on evidence, also logical. Demi takes break, and nothing changes!

Do you even have the slightest idea how strict immigration policies were a century ago? You could be put right back on the boat if you had a slight limp.

They aren't sending best of theirs, folks!

[Tassman]

I don't understand why this is so hard for people to understand. Blame the parents for breaking the law, and not the system that is forced to deal with their lawlessness.

Under the Immigration Act, immigrants who tell immigration officials they’re afraid to return to their countries have the right to request asylum and to be processed. It is illegal to turn them back without due process and it is illegal and immoral to separate them from their children.

[Charles]

Seriously, did you read the article I posted earlier? "Mass detention center"... ooh, scary sounding.

But in reality, the kids are given healthcare, clean clothes, taught basic hygiene and how to use modern conveniences like running water and flushing toilets; they're bunked in large, clean rooms, fed three-squares a day, given an education, one-on-one and group counseling, and engage in social activities like proms and field trips to local zoos and museums. Ironically, they're probably better off than the children of asylum seekers who enter legally.

Even if all your statements above are true I still think you miss what this is essentially all about, namely the separation of traumatized children from their parents. While good material conditions is certainly not a bad thing nothing can make up for the loss of their parents for these children. You are a father yourself and you know the dependencies children have on their parents for their basic well being so I find it a little hard to understand your presentation of their situation. I get the impression you turn your blind eye to where the problem really is.

I think the psychological aspect is made very clear in the following:

“But prolonged separation and detention risks traumatizing children who are already fleeing nightmarish situations in their home countries, said Luis Zayas, a psychiatry professor at the University of Texas.

The strategy is setting children up for “psychological scars that will take a lifetime to undo”, he said. “Trauma and stress impact the growth patterns of the brain.” That can cause decision-making, social development and intellectual capacity to be impaired. “It really is an inhumane approach to handling the refugee crisis,” Zayas said.” https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...administration

[rogue06]

Of course they are. Crazy is crazy.

Don't pretend there's equivalence between liberals and conservatives just because there's a dozen nutty people who are liberals. It seems that about half of American conservatives have signed their brains over to Trump and will praise and support their glorious leader come what may. One bonkers liberal is not relevant compared to tens of millions of bonkers conservatives.

Those quotes showed a mindset prevalent among a significant portion of Obama's supporters when he first took office. He was the "Obamessiah." And it wasn't something you'd only see in obscure websites by some fringe wackos that nobody pays any attention to but by some of the biggest players in the MSM -- folks with a big microphone and spotlight.

What's more it was something that both his wife (look at her quote in post #75) and Obama himself seemed to push. From Obama, when he merely secured his party's nomination and nothing more, he proclaimed that "this was the moment when the rise of the oceans began to slow and our planet began to heal." Yup. That's right. He was declaring that the planet itself was changing because of his arrival on the scene

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[rogue06]

Under the Immigration Act, immigrants who tell immigration officials they’re afraid to return to their countries have the right to request asylum and to be processed. It is illegal to turn them back without due process and it is illegal and immoral to separate them from their children.

And yet the left didn't seem to think it was illegal or immoral for the Obama Administration to do it and even actually place the children in cages like they incorrectly claim was still taking place under Trump. Back then y'all collectively turned a blind eye to it.

[rogue06]

And yet the left didn't seem to think it was illegal or immoral for the Obama Administration to do it and even actually place the children in cages like they incorrectly claim was still taking place under Trump. Back then y'all collectively turned a blind eye to it.

I meant to add that Henry Cuellar (D-Tex) was on CNN last night noting that he had released photos of children held in cages back in 2014 "because it was kept quiet under the Obama Administration" but the MSM wasn't interested.

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[Mountain Man]

Under the Immigration Act, immigrants who tell immigration officials they’re afraid to return to their countries have the right to request asylum and to be processed. It is illegal to turn them back without due process and it is illegal and immoral to separate them from their children.

Yes, and there are ports of entry where they can legally do so. Sneaking across our Southern border in the dead of night is illegal under current law.

[Mountain Man]

...you miss what this is essentially all about, namely the separation of traumatized children from their parents.

Maybe those parents should consider the consequences before they choose to break the law.

[Charles]

Maybe those parents should consider the consequences before they choose to break the law.

Maybe. I don't know how I would react in their situation.

However, the children did not chose their parents and are not responsible for their actions. Yet, as a consequence of current policies they are traumatized. So the highest price is paid by those whom we know are innocent. I fail to see how that can be fair and I fail. You skipped a lot of my post in your answer.

[Mountain Man]

...the children did not chose their parents and are not responsible for their actions.

Yes, in every case where parents break the law, the children are unfortunately innocent victims, but simply not holding the parents accountable is not an option. Based on what I've read, the "system" is making the best of a bad situation. Ideally, the parents wouldn't break the law the first place.

[One Bad Pig]

They aren't sending best of theirs, folks!

Generally, they aren't being sent; they're going of their own volition. Generally, immigrants (whether legal or illegal) are motivated to better themselves and their families; we may not be getting their best, but we're certainly not getting their worst.