Separating immigrant families and imprisoning children

[Cow Poke]

And a hammer dulcimer version!

[Cow Poke]

And you KNEW there had to be a Smoky Mountain version, since this is a song from old Appalachia.

[KingsGambit]

Even Franklin Graham is not okay with this situation: https://www.charlotteobserver.com/la...213142754.html

I am sickened by Sarah Huckabee Sanders quoting the Bible to defend the status quo. As a fundamentalist friend of mine pointed out, it's sad when at the press briefing, the reporter from Playboy has a more moral view on an issue than the daughter of a Baptist pastor. If you're going to Romans 13 this issue, then you might as well invoke Romans 13 when a woman wants to go to the abortion clinic, too. Laws just don't define morality.

[seer]

Where the kids are being held...

[Starlight]

The party of separating families, lying, not taking personal responsibility (aka Republicans), is unsurprisingly, not taking personal responsibility for this and lying.

Serial liar Sarah Huckabee Sanders is spreading the lie that, of all people, the Democrats are to blame for the Trump Administration's deliberate decision to separate families.

Her 'logic' goes like this: If only the Democrats (who's votes aren't needed since Republicans control all the branches of government) would work more with the Trump administration to change the system to be even harsher on immigrants, then the Trump administration wouldn't need to continue their campaign of terror against families in order to disincentivize immigration. So it's all the Democrats fault, QED.

I think it's time to call out these people for what they are: Absolutely despicable, immoral, evil, monsters. If there's a hell, they're going to it.

[Starlight]

I note that almost zero conservative posters here have had the guts to vote in the poll at the start of this thread regarding whether they support the policy.

I guess if the November midterms end up being run primarily on the topic of whether families should be separated or not, we'll find out then where US conservatives truly stand on their "values".

[Charles]

And, of course, as if the situation was not absurd enough already, we are now confronted with Sessions’ biblical defense of Trump's immigration policy.

“I would cite you to the apostle Paul and his clear and wise command in Romans 13 to obey the laws of the government because God has ordained them for the purpose of order,” said Sessions, who is also a Sunday school teacher at a United Methodist Church in Mobile, Alabama.

We have discussed these verses before, so I look forward to seeing many Christians insist these verses should not be interpreted that way and thus undermining Sessions’ defense of Trump.

And, Sessions is defended by another Christian and Trump associate:

On Thursday, White House Press Secretary Sarah Huckabee Sanders, a conservative Christian, answered a question about Sessions' comments, saying, "it is very biblical to enforce the law."

Read the entire article here: https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/p...ism/707196002/

There are, of course, Christians opposing Session and Huckabee.

And here is another interesting part:

The Rev. Rob Saler, executive director for the Center for Pastoral Excellence at Indianapolis' Christian Theological Seminary, said the verses were used by Lutherans in Nazi Germany to justify supporting Adolf Hitler.

"Romans 13, for a long time, has been appealed to in an incorrect way, as a justification for 'Obey the laws, no matter what,'" he said. "Whether they're just or not. I don’t want to be too extreme, but ... in Nazi Germany, Lutherans, for the most part, supported Hitler and they used Romans 13 to validate that."

I wonder how long the evangelicals in general are going to tolerate Trump's policy and the fact that it is associated with a book they reagard as holy and that his mandate is dependent on them.

[Tassman]

And, of course, as if the situation was not absurd enough already, we are now confronted with Sessions’ biblical defense of Trump's immigration policy.



We have discussed these verses before, so I look forward to seeing many Christians insist these verses should not be interpreted that way and thus undermining Sessions’ defense of Trump.

And, Sessions is defended by another Christian and Trump associate:



Read the entire article here: https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/p...ism/707196002/

There are, of course, Christians opposing Session and Huckabee.

The bible can be interpreted to mean whatever you want it to mean.

And here is another interesting part:

Romans 13 was also used to justify slavery in the South.

I wonder how long the evangelicals in general are going to tolerate Trump's policy and the fact that it is associated with a book they reagard as holy and that his mandate is dependent on them.

They will tolerate anything Trump does because he gives them what they want.

[Cow Poke]

I note that almost zero conservative posters here have had the guts to vote in the poll at the start of this thread regarding whether they support the policy.

It's not about guts, Star, it's that you're nuts.

[Sparko]

The party of separating families, lying, not taking personal responsibility (aka Republicans), is unsurprisingly, not taking personal responsibility for this and lying.

Serial liar Sarah Huckabee Sanders is spreading the lie that, of all people, the Democrats are to blame for the Trump Administration's deliberate decision to separate families.

Her 'logic' goes like this: If only the Democrats (who's votes aren't needed since Republicans control all the branches of government) would work more with the Trump administration to change the system to be even harsher on immigrants, then the Trump administration wouldn't need to continue their campaign of terror against families in order to disincentivize immigration. So it's all the Democrats fault, QED.

I think it's time to call out these people for what they are: Absolutely despicable, immoral, evil, monsters. If there's a hell, they're going to it.

Rogue and I both showed that the policy was instituted by Obama. I even posted pictures of children in cages under Obama. And you want to blame Trump?



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Here is an article from when Obama was President:

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Kids in Cages (Fundamentally Transforming America)

...Border patrol agents report that the juveniles say they came because they believe children will not be deported, that amnesty will soon be forthcoming and they will be allowed to attain legal status.

Last week’s announcement that deferment only applies to minors who were brought to the US before June 15, 2007 was too little, too late.

At least 700 (and counting) of these children are now warehoused in Nogales at a makeshift holding center. Apparently ICE in Texas was too overwhelmed to check for infectious diseases before loading them on buses. According to Townhall.com scabies and tuberculosis are becoming a public health concern.




Townhall.com among others have posted pictures of the facility (a former warehouse) showing children crowded into chain link enclosures, sleeping on park benches or on the floor, awaiting the arrival of sufficient mattresses and other necessities. Despite the protests of AZ governor Jan Brewer, another thousand juveniles are to be sent to the Arizona facility over the weekend.

More than 1000 minors are also housed at Lockland Air Force Base in San Antonio and others are headed to a base in Ventura County, California.

http://www.whatwouldthefoundersthink...orming-america












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[Mountain Man]

Yeah, but- but Trump!

[Mountain Man]

I note that almost zero conservative posters here have had the guts to vote in the poll at the start of this thread regarding whether they support the policy were fooled by my spin and desperate attempts to falsely lay blame at the feet of the Trump administration.

[MaxVel]

I note that almost zero conservative posters here have had the guts to vote in the poll at the start of this thread regarding whether they support the policy.

I guess if the November midterms end up being run primarily on the topic of whether families should be separated or not, we'll find out then where US conservatives truly stand on their "values".

I can't see the value in voting in your poll in an attempt to somehow convince you that I'm up to your moral standards. You're obviously a bigot.

[Charles]

Yeah, but- but Trump!

Or "but- but Obama" if you want to avoid the difficult issues. I wonder what makes you think it makes even the tiniest difference to the moral issues whether Obama did the same thing or not. And Sessions even made a biblical defence of the absurdities. But somehow it seems the Obama past is all you are worried about.

[rogue06]

I can't see the value in voting in your poll in an attempt to somehow convince you that I'm up to your moral standards. You're obviously a bigot.

"up to"? You'd have to dig a hole halfway through the planet's crust to get that low.