Separating immigrant families and imprisoning children

[Charles]

Samuel Rodriguez, head of the National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference, says Trump's migrant children policy is anti-Christian:

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/polit...-interview.cnn

I agree. Very interesting interview by the way. I think his points are extremely relevant even after Trump changed his policy since it clearly shows why you simply cannot, or could not, agree with Trump and claim to act in accordance with Christian principles or American values.

[Charles]

Wow, I assumed you were a native speaker. Your English seems perfect to me.

Thanks a lot. I am much more fluent in my own language and struggle to make it sound the way I want it to when I have to write in English. But as long as the readers don't note that then I am of course happy.

[Starlight]

You did, unfortunately.

Oh, lol, my bad. For some reason I thought your post was a response to LPOT, and I was referring to her. My sleep-deprived brain somehow read littlejoe as lilpixieofterror... in its defense their names do sort of start the same. At no time did I ever think littlejoe was a woman even in my sleep-deprived state.

[Mountain Man]

MBFC is actually merely a tool.


But then so are you...

I'm the hammer that repeatedly pounds your liberal pinhead into the ground.

[carpedm9587]

I'm the hammer that repeatedly pounds your liberal pinhead into the ground.

You need a hammer to push a pin into the ground?


Vitamins, maybe?

[Mountain Man]

Samuel Rodriguez, head of the National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference, says Trump's migrant children policy is anti-Christian:

https://edition.cnn.com/videos/polit...-interview.cnn

I agree. Very interesting interview by the way. I think his points are extremely relevant even after Trump changed his policy since it clearly shows why you simply cannot, or could not, agree with Trump and claim to act in accordance with Christian principles or American values.

I think anybody pursuing this line of argument needs to first show where in Bible it says we should turn a blind eye to lawbreakers, because that's the crux of the matter. None of this is happening in a vacuum, and these people are suffering the consequences of their lawlessness. The Bible says that even one who steals to satisfy a need should pay restitution if caught, even to the point of losing everything he owns.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage...31&version=ESV

[carpedm9587]

And it just keeps better. According to this news story (and others), because (in part) the government elected to assign separate "A File" numbers to kids separated from their parents (they are the same number if they are kept together), and failed to create any sort of mapping system to associate the parent's numbers to their children, they essentially have no ready mechanism for reuniting these kids. Acting Immigration and Customs Enforcement Director John Sandweg has acknowledged that some of these separations may well be permanent.

[Starlight]

And it just keeps better. According to this news story (and others), because (in part) the government elected to assign separate "A File" numbers to kids separated from their parents (they are the same number if they are kept together), and failed to create any sort of mapping system to associate the parent's numbers to their children, they essentially have no ready mechanism for reuniting these kids. Acting Immigration and Customs Enforcement Director John Sandweg has acknowledged that some of these separations may well be permanent.

The Trump administration's systems seem between atrociously bad and non-existent.

WaPo:

[The judge] slammed his hand on the desk, sending a pen flying. This type of emotional display is unheard of in federal court.

"I can’t understand this," the judge said [to the government prosecutors]. "If someone at the jail takes your wallet, they give you a receipt. They take your kids, and you get nothing? Not even a slip of paper?"

There's already a lawsuit from one woman who came across the border with her kid, was arrested and had her child stolen by the Trump administration, then after they turfed her out of America they didn't return her kid to her. She's suing to get her stolen child back again. I presume the government has no clue where they've put her stolen child, otherwise they would just happily return the child to her (now she's out of the country) and get them both gone and end the lawsuit.

[Starlight]

As usual, Republican polices are atrociously inefficient financially...

Report: “tent cities” for separated migrant children cost more than keeping them with their parents:

Newly created “tent cities” for migrant children being separated from their parents cost $775 per night per person, according to a new report. That’s two to three times what it costs to put them in a permanent facility or to keep them with their parents.

[Psychic Missile]

I think anybody pursuing this line of argument needs to first show where in Bible it says we should turn a blind eye to lawbreakers, because that's the crux of the matter. None of this is happening in a vacuum, and these people are suffering the consequences of their lawlessness. The Bible says that even one who steals to satisfy a need should pay restitution if caught, even to the point of losing everything he owns.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage...31&version=ESV

So if someone breaks the law by claiming to be a king, we should not turn a blind and eye and they must suffer the consequences?

[demi-conservative]

The Trump administration's systems seem between atrociously bad and non-existent.

Lawless thousands and thousands, they flood border, systems overloaded, surprise!!!

[lilpixieofterror]

I don't believe they ARE "partisan hacks trying to pass themselves off as impartial judges of truth."

Of course you don’t because they are cheerleading for the side you agree with.

OK, I've read both articles, and reviewed some of the sources. Here is what I found:

Sanders: responded to clarifying questions
Trump: did not respond to clarifying questions

Sanders: used older data
Trump: used current data

Sanders: used the data consistently with its intent (unemployed and underemployed)
Trump: took data with one intent (employment percentage) and "flipped" it resulting in use of the data that does not align with conventional use

Sanders: rated "mostly true"
Trump: rated "mostly false"

I actually concur with the distinction. While Sanders used more dated numbers and needs to update them, Trump attempted to ignore the actual unemployment statistics for black youth, and replace them with 100% - "employed black youth." But "unemployment," as the article states, has a well-defined meaning and use in employment statistics (those actively seeking work). This is intentional. There are always people in any population that don't want to be working. They may be in college and have scholarships, they could be living with and supporting parents who are financially supporting them in turn, they could be doing unpaid internships, they could be disabled, and so forth. The unemployment number specifically seeks to exclude these and focus on those who want to be working and are not. Trump essentially ignored this distinction to exaggerate the numbers.

Of course you concur because you make the same mistake and take Trump literally, but not figuratively.

Can you show me where I accused you of doing that?

Why mention it?

I can understand why you would think that. Most of the posts here are "from the right," and relatively few are "from the left." I take each source and evaluate it on its merits. Unfortunately, a lot of people here choose to point to Brietbart and other such sources, which are notoriously partisan. No big surprise, most of my comments (here) will be a negative assessment of partisan sources that lean right. If someone draws on a partisan source that leans left, I am (and will continue to be) equally critical.

Briebart is no more partisan than MSNBC, CNN, buzzfeed, Vox, Salon, or the other dozens of news sites out there. The problem is they are not partisan in the correct direction.

[Tassman]

That ought to give Congress time to do their job.

Congress is not in a position to do anything given that, according to a Quinnipiac University poll released Monday, 55% of Republican voters support the separation policy, while 35% express opposition. And, it is they who control congress.

[Charles]

I think anybody pursuing this line of argument needs to first show where in Bible it says we should turn a blind eye to lawbreakers, because that's the crux of the matter. None of this is happening in a vacuum, and these people are suffering the consequences of their lawlessness. The Bible says that even one who steals to satisfy a need should pay restitution if caught, even to the point of losing everything he owns.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage...31&version=ESV

What crimine did the children do? Some of them may not even see their parents again because those who were so concerned with the law were less concerned about making sure families could unite again. And I assume you did not see the video since you would know better if you had done so.

[Roy]

I think anybody pursuing this line of argument needs to first show where in Bible it says we should turn a blind eye to lawbreakers, because that's the crux of the matter. None of this is happening in a vacuum, and these people are suffering the consequences of their lawlessness.

I'll simply refer you once again to the example cited in the opening post where some-one had their child taken from them despite doing nothing illegal.