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  • #91
    Originally posted by Mountain Man View Post
    Yes, in every case where parents break the law, the children are unfortunately innocent victims, but simply not holding the parents accountable is not an option. Based on what I've read, the "system" is making the best of a bad situation. Ideally, the parents wouldn't break the law the first place.
    So, if I read you correctly, you, as a Christian, are saying that separating a child from its' parents is the best the system can do in a bad situation? I would say it is not good at all and cannot be justified under any circumstances. By doing something completely wrong you cannot possibly make the best of a bad situation. You can only make it even worse which is what they are doing to their eternal shame.

    Do you agree with Sessions’ interpretation of Romans 13? In your heart, do you really believe a Christian should support these actions? Are you really comfortable with supporting this? I have a very hard time believing so.
    Last edited by Charles; 06-17-2018, 04:37 PM.
    "Yes. President Trump is a huge embarrassment. And it’s an embarrassment to evangelical Christianity that there appear to be so many who will celebrate precisely the aspects that I see Biblically as most lamentable and embarrassing." Southern Baptist leader Albert Mohler Jr.

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    • #92
      Originally posted by Charles View Post
      However, the children did not chose their parents and are not responsible for their actions. Yet, as a consequence of current policies they are traumatized. So the highest price is paid by those whom we know are innocent. I fail to see how that can be fair and I fail.
      Kinda sounds like an anti-abortion speech.
      The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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      • #93
        Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
        Kinda sounds like an anti-abortion speech.
        Yes, which, as I keep telling you, is why anti-abortionists get mocked for failing to apply the principles they espouse to any areas other than abortion. They pretend to be pro-life and pro-family only on the topic of abortion, and then turn around and embrace anti-life anti-family policies like separating families, wars, death penalty etc.
        "I hate him passionately", he's "a demonic force" - Tucker Carlson, in private, on Donald Trump
        "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
        "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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        • #94
          Originally posted by Starlight View Post
          Yes, which, as I keep telling you, is why anti-abortionists get mocked for failing to apply the principles they espouse to any areas other than abortion. They pretend to be pro-life and pro-family only on the topic of abortion, and then turn around and embrace anti-life anti-family policies like separating families, wars, death penalty etc.
          Hey, can you do me a favor? Can you find a jpg on the internet of a really really big broad brush, and insert it for me as a response to your post? I'm kinda tired - just drove 3 1/2 hours to visit my dying pastor.

          Thanks, Star.
          The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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          • #95
            Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
            Hey, can you do me a favor? Can you find a jpg on the internet of a really really big broad brush, and insert it for me as a response to your post? I'm kinda tired - just drove 3 1/2 hours to visit my dying pastor.

            Thanks, Star.
            Even though you didn't ask me smiley dejected.gif



            I'm always still in trouble again

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            • #96
              Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
              Even though you didn't ask me [ATTACH=CONFIG]28373[/ATTACH]




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              I can always count on ya brudder!
              The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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              • #97
                Point of clarification:

                A friend of mine is claiming that children are being forcibly separated from parents who attempt to claim asylum, which is 100% legal. Is this true?
                "I am not angered that the Moral Majority boys campaign against abortion. I am angry when the same men who say, "Save OUR children" bellow "Build more and bigger bombers." That's right! Blast the children in other nations into eternity, or limbless misery as they lay crippled from "OUR" bombers! This does not jell." - Leonard Ravenhill

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                • #98
                  Originally posted by KingsGambit View Post
                  Point of clarification:

                  A friend of mine is claiming that children are being forcibly separated from parents who attempt to claim asylum, which is 100% legal. Is this true?
                  I've been trying to figure that out myself, and it just seems like it depends on who's reporting.
                  The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                  • #99
                    I would tend to think it would be the case for those who get caught sneaking across the border and only then claim they were seeking asylum. I honestly don't know what happens with those who turn themselves in at the border and ask for asylum.

                    I'm always still in trouble again

                    "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                    "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                    "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                    • Anyone else wonder why so many people keep wanting to come to America if it was even a tenth as bad as starlight and crew claim it is?

                      I'm always still in trouble again

                      "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                      "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                      "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                      • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                        Anyone else wonder why so many people keep wanting to come to America if it was even a tenth as bad as starlight and crew claim it is?
                        Starlight himself wants SO badly to live here.
                        The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                        • Originally posted by Cow Poke View Post
                          Starlight himself wants SO badly to live here.
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                          I'm always still in trouble again

                          "You're by far the worst poster on TWeb" and "TWeb's biggest liar" --starlight (the guy who says Stalin was a right-winger)
                          "Overall I would rate the withdrawal from Afghanistan as by far the best thing Biden's done" --Starlight
                          "Of course, human life begins at fertilization that’s not the argument." --Tassman

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                          • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
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                            EGGzackly what I think.
                            The first to state his case seems right until another comes and cross-examines him.

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                            • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                              Anyone else wonder why so many people keep wanting to come to America if it was even a tenth as bad as starlight and crew claim it is?
                              Americans tend to vastly overestimate how many people actually want to move to America, and tend to not realize that all Western countries face the same high levels of people wanting to move to the West.

                              In terms of illegal immigrants coming over your border though, you're basically reaping what you've sowed, because US foreign policy has been so atrocious in South and Central America over the last century (e.g. openly supporting terrorists in Nicaragua, overthrowing various governments via coups because banana companies asked you to ('banana republics') etc), and the US's ongoing stupid drug policies have caused huge drug cartel violence across many countries there. If you hadn't made those countries so awful, people wouldn't be so desperate to leave.
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                              "Every line of serious work that I have written since 1936 has been written, directly or indirectly, against totalitarianism and for democratic socialism" - George Orwell
                              "[Capitalism] as it exists today is, in my opinion, the real source of evils. I am convinced there is only one way to eliminate these grave evils, namely through the establishment of a socialist economy" - Albert Einstein

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                              • Originally posted by rogue06 View Post
                                Anyone else wonder why so many people keep wanting to come to America if it was even a tenth as bad as starlight and crew claim it is?
                                It's no secret. Almost anywhere is preferable to the gang warfare and violence, which has transformed parts of Central America into some of the most dangerous places on earth. In recent years El Salvador, Honduras and Guatemala have experienced a dramatic escalation in organised crime and the population is fleeing for their lives. In short they are refugees and should be treated as such, not as criminals.

                                Originally posted by Starlight View Post
                                Americans tend to vastly overestimate how many people actually want to move to America, and tend to not realize that all Western countries face the same high levels of people wanting to move to the West.
                                Sure, but Americans only know about America, it's the only place that matters. <sarcasm>
                                Last edited by Tassman; 06-18-2018, 02:25 AM.
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