Separating immigrant families and imprisoning children

[carpedm9587]

Finally some sanity on you part!

I'm going to assume you're not being serious. I cannot imagine even you being THAT biased.

Agreed, but I think half of South America would have credible asylum claims with all the failed states down there..

Possibly. And we certainly have room. I would not turn such people away. But perhaps that just my old Christian roots speaking. You know, blessed are the poor? The Good Samaritan? All those inconvenient things...

[carpedm9587]

It was not just some temporary measure. It was the law. and has been the law since 2002.

Homeland Security Act 2002

more info on it:

https://www.americanimmigrationcounc...-and-responses

First, I'm not going to reread a 187 page document to find the part that supports your claim. If there is a law in there that parents must be separated from children, or that parents must be incarcerated in federal detention centers, by all means point out the section.

Second, the article is primarily about unaccompanied children, not children crossing the border with their parents.

[seer]

I'm going to assume you're not being serious. I cannot imagine even you being THAT biased.

And here I had such high hopes for you!

Possibly. And we certainly have room. I would not turn such people away. But perhaps that just my old Christian roots speaking. You know, blessed are the poor? The Good Samaritan? All those inconvenient things...

Actually no we don't have the room, nor the money. And Christianity nowhere says that we need take all the poor of the world.

[Sparko]

First, I'm not going to reread a 187 page document to find the part that supports your claim. If there is a law in there that parents must be separated from children, or that parents must be incarcerated in federal detention centers, by all means point out the section.

Second, the article is primarily about unaccompanied children, not children crossing the border with their parents.

If you bother to search the pdf for "unaccompanied" you will get your answer. Also the second link tells you how the policies are implimented and they are not separating families, just unaccompanied children, unless the parents are arrested. It has been the law since 2002. I don't really care if you believe me or not. YOU were the one asking about the law earlier. Now you are too lazy to check it out?

[Sparko]

This is interesting too. To see how the liberals are twisting the story.

The news and social media has been showing this photo of a child behind bars:

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Except it is not true.

The kid was part of a protest his parents were doing and he was playing behind their protest cage.

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[Yttrium]

Isn't that what you wanted? What are you complaining about?

Personally, I'm complaining about the living conditions, not the family separation. We have other threads concerning family separation. If there are families that are together, that certainly helps, but it amounts to throwing the children into prison with the parents.

Also, Bush and Obama did the same thing. So where was the outrage then? We are talking about over 20 years of this going on, yet Trump is the one getting blamed for it?

If I had known about it then, I would have complained about it then. Since the numbers have cranked up lately, it's a lot more noticeable, and a lot more of a problem.

[Roy]

And last, this only happens to those who cross the border illegally, which is a crime. Children are not separated from the family if they go through the legal asylum process, which at this point is the vast majority.

What is not true? Link please.

The emphasised text is not true, based on links already provided in the OP, and highlighted in post #10, among others.

[seer]

The emphasised text is not true, based on links already provided in the OP, and highlighted in post #10, among others.

Where is the link for post #10? And that was because the government doubted her parentage.

[carpedm9587]

And here I had such high hopes for you!

Sorry to disappoint...

Actually no we don't have the room, nor the money. And Christianity nowhere says that we need take all the poor of the world.

This is an unbelievable claim. The U.S. is 177th out of 241 countries in terms of population density. We hold 34% of the wealth of the entire world, a number larger than all of Asia combined as well as all of Europe combined. We also have record low unemployment. And who on earth said "all?"

This is the equivalent of the rich man with the mansion on the hill saying, "Hey, I don't have enough to go around!" It is unbelievably unChristian, not to mention unAmerican.

[carpedm9587]

If you bother to search the pdf for "unaccompanied" you will get your answer. Also the second link tells you how the policies are implimented and they are not separating families, just unaccompanied children, unless the parents are arrested. It has been the law since 2002. I don't really care if you believe me or not. YOU were the one asking about the law earlier. Now you are too lazy to check it out?

Yes - I'm too lazy (actually, I'm too busy) to devote hours reading a 187 page document to substantiate a claim made by someone here. I thought there was a policy about arguing by web link?

And I know of no "laws" requiring this separation. There have been several policies put in place by DHS, but a law is passed by Congress (or other legislature).

[Sparko]

Personally, I'm complaining about the living conditions, not the family separation. We have other threads concerning family separation. If there are families that are together, that certainly helps, but it amounts to throwing the children into prison with the parents.

So if they keep the kids out of jail, then liberals complain about separating families. If they put the kids in jail with the parents, then they complain about putting children in jail. Amazing.

Except they aren't putting any of them in jail.

Here is one of the centers where they are being held:

If I had known about it then, I would have complained about it then. Since the numbers have cranked up lately, it's a lot more noticeable, and a lot more of a problem.

The numbers have gone DOWN since the peak in 2014 when Obama was doing the same thing.

The reason you didn't know about it then was because the only reason you know about it now is that it is designed to try to smear Trump. They had no reason to want to smear Obama.

[seer]

This is an unbelievable claim. The U.S. is 177th out of 241 countries in terms of population density. We hold 34% of the wealth of the entire world, a number larger than all of Asia combined as well as all of Europe combined. And who on earth said "all?"

And that is why we are the richest country in the world - because, mostly, we have not embraced socialism. I am much more concerned with our working poor.

This is the equivalent of the rich man with the mansion on the hill saying, "Hey, I don't have enough to go around!" It is unbelievably unChristian, not to mention unAmerican.

Let me give you a real world consequence. About ten of my sons friends had good paying jobs in roofing and construction a few years back - not one of them have those jobs any more, they were all taken by legal and illegal aliens. Today their jobs pay much less (Home Depot and such). The immigrants live 15-20 people to an apartment (which I know first hand since it happens in my neighborhood) - and will work for less than minimum and pool their money. Now if you are a contractor you may not want to hire such people, but if your competition does you have little choice. So not only does this take away jobs for our working poor, it suppresses wages in general. This, again, is the fault of both parties.

[Yttrium]

So if they keep the kids out of jail, then liberals complain about separating families. If they put the kids in jail with the parents, then they complain about putting children in jail. Amazing.

Why is that a response to me? I'm not a liberal, and I don't really have a problem with separating the families.

Except they aren't putting any of them in jail.

I was just referring to the 72 hour processing period.

The numbers have gone DOWN since the peak in 2014 when Obama was doing the same thing.

The reason you didn't know about it then was because the only reason you know about it now is that it is designed to try to smear Trump. They had no reason to want to smear Obama.

Fine, let's smear Obama too. I'm all for that.

[Sparko]

Why is that a response to me? I'm not a liberal, and I don't really have a problem with separating the families.





I was just referring to the 72 hour processing period.




Fine, let's smear Obama too. I'm all for that.

Did you bother to read the article in the OP?

The families are not being separated. But there are unaccompanied children there. There is a lot of sex trafficking being done across the border in women and children. The reason they separate the children is to keep them safe. If they have parents with them or legal guardians then they remain together.

"facility that's divided into separate wings for unaccompanied children, adults on their own, and mothers and fathers with children."
"The Border Patrol said close to 200 people inside the facility were minors unaccompanied by a parent. Another 500 were "family units," parents and children."

[Yttrium]

Did you bother to read the article in the OP?

The families are not being separated. But there are unaccompanied children there. There is a lot of sex trafficking being done across the border in women and children. The reason they separate the children is to keep them safe. If they have parents with them or legal guardians then they remain together.

"facility that's divided into separate wings for unaccompanied children, adults on their own, and mothers and fathers with children."
"The Border Patrol said close to 200 people inside the facility were minors unaccompanied by a parent. Another 500 were "family units," parents and children."

Um... Sparko, you sound like you're having a conversation with someone else entirely. I'll just point out again that separating the families is not really an issue for me.